Sorry, I am too shocked to not post this bat beat story.

[shaniac]

$11 rebuy tournament on Stars I've worked my stack up nicely to around 17K, chip leader at the table.

Dealt to shaniac [Qc Tc]. I limp on the button for 200 (blinds 100/200 no ante) after one limper.

The SB raises to 600, BB calls as does the limper, as do I.

*** FLOP *** [Td Qd 2c]

Very nice flop for me. When the original raiser bets 1000 I am almost sure he doesn't have a set so my hand is good 99% of the time. I raise to 3000. He calls.

Turn is a 6h. Another nice card. He checks. I bet 5000. He raises allin for a total of 7765. It's a no brainer. I call.

Care to guess what powerhouse he holds that he a) raised out of position preflop b) called a big raise on the flop with c) check-raised allin with ZERO chance of winning the pot uncontested?

He turns over AsJs.

Since he only has four live cards in the deck and since I probably wouldn't be posting this if top two had held up, I'm sure you can guess what the river is. But the way he played the hand really makes me wonder if there aren't people who can hack into the system and see the next card out.


*** RIVER *** [Td Qd 2c 6h] [Ks]


AAAARRRGGGGH.

Comments on any aspects of my play here are welcome and if you can explain his play to me that would be welcome as well.

thanks, Shane

PokerStars Game #440891632: Tournament #1627757, Hold'em No Limit -
Level VI (100/200) - 2004/05/17 - 23:42:52 (ET)
Table '1627757 50' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Grsshppr (13763 in chips)
Seat 2: d9090 (4250 in chips)
Seat 3: maq2000 (8828 in chips)
Seat 4: Dogtime (5561 in chips)
Seat 5: shaniac (16925 in chips)
Seat 6: goonsquad2 (3060 in chips)
Seat 7: JWVIII (11365 in chips)
Seat 8: crazyjerry (8330 in chips)
Seat 9: nekpinder (4710 in chips)
JWVIII: posts small blind 100
crazyjerry: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shaniac [Qc Tc]
nekpinder: calls 200
Grsshppr: folds
d9090: folds
maq2000: folds
Dogtime: folds
shaniac: calls 200
goonsquad2: folds
JWVIII: raises 400 to 600
crazyjerry: calls 400
nekpinder: calls 400
shaniac: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Td Qd 2c]
JWVIII: bets 1000
crazyjerry: folds
nekpinder: folds
shaniac: raises 2000 to 3000
JWVIII: calls 2000
*** TURN *** [Td Qd 2c] [6h]
JWVIII: checks
shaniac: bets 5000
JWVIII: raises 2765 to 7765 and is all-in
shaniac: calls 2765
*** RIVER *** [Td Qd 2c 6h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JWVIII: shows [As Js] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
shaniac: shows [Qc Tc] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
JWVIII collected 23930 from pot
shaniac said, "are you nuts?"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23930 | Rake 0
Board [Td Qd 2c 6h Ks]
Seat 1: Grsshppr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: d9090 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: maq2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Dogtime folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: shaniac showed [Qc Tc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 6: goonsquad2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: JWVIII (small blind) showed [As Js] and won (23930) with a
straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 8: crazyjerry (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: nekpinder folded on the Flop

[MadSci]

Uh, I think you played fine.

As to people playing the way your opponent did, some people just think that you are always supposed to raise pf with AJ and similiar hands. Recently, in a b&m multi, I had two players on my left that I know played that way (one proudly proclaims she "learned to play by watching the Travel Channel) and limp re-reaised all-in pf w/kk. I don't even like to limp re-raise w/AA. This was in the 1st few hands of the tourney. My oponent called with: AJo, and ATs.

[Che]

shaniac-

I don't see what the problem is. He would have hit the nut flush if he hand just caught 3 more spades after the flop.
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Bummer dude...

Che

[BabyJesus]

"Care to guess what powerhouse he holds that he a) raised out of position preflop "

Man thats classic, coming from someone who is playing QTs in early position. Come on now you deserver to lose playing that trash out of position for a limp. Do you really want to be on a draw with blinds this big? You chase a hand, miss and you're almost broke. You're dominated by other trashy marginal hands. Sure its a bad beat but you deserve it playing that trash and playing its badly too. If you want to play a marginal hand like that you should at least try to steal a pot with it and hope to catch a good flop.

[MarkD]

[ QUOTE ]
Dealt to shaniac [Qc Tc]. I limp on the button for 200

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't know the button got moved to early position. When did this happen?

[shaniac]

I think by 'early position' he meant 'the best possible position' to play a speculative hand like QTs.

Shane

[curtains]

I agree with BabyJesus and don't see anything constructive that I could add.

[shaniac]

Thanks, curtains. Luckily I have my X-ray Sarcasm Specs on and, anyway, I understand your sense of humor.

Just to clarify: I WAS ON THE BUTTON WITH A HUGE STACK WHEN I LIMPED FOR 200 WITH QcTc. Okay?

For further clarification, the button is the person at the table who has the last chance to act at every point in the hand after the flop.

I was still on the button with QTs when I called 400 more getting 5-1. And I still had a big stack.

good night,
Shane

[DOTTT]

You think that's bad take a look at this. Thought I'd give Paradise $30 rebuy a shot, I don't know what in the world he was thinking, but I'll get my money in against him anytime. Bad beats happen they just hurt more when they come from complete idiots.


Game #503771016 - Tournament $35,000 R&A - 25/50 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2004/05/17-19:32:29 (CST)
Table "$35,000 R&A 16" (MTT) -- Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Gary8 (2,360 in chips)
Seat 2: SoloPogo (1,715 in chips)
Seat 3: rockman03 (5,020 in chips)
Seat 4: BJK1971 (1,960 in chips)
Seat 5: DOTTT (2,515 in chips)
Seat 6: Jake_Gekko (2,590 in chips)
Seat 7: awbfb (2,130 in chips)
Seat 8: Fordman (1,775 in chips)
Seat 9: johnnydingle (2,360 in chips)
Seat 10: another (2,605 in chips)
Jake_Gekko: Post Small Blind (25)
awbfb : Post Big Blind (50)
Dealing...
Dealt to DOTTT [ 4c ]
Dealt to DOTTT [ 4s ]
Fordman : Fold
johnnydingle: Fold
another : Fold
Gary8 : Call (50)
SoloPogo: Fold
rockman03: Call (50)
BJK1971 : Call (50)
DOTTT : Call (50)
Jake_Gekko: Call (25)
awbfb : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 4h 5d 7h ]
Jake_Gekko: Bet (50)
awbfb : Call (50)
Gary8 : Fold
rockman03: Call (50)
BJK1971 : Call (50)
DOTTT : Raise (500)
Jake_Gekko: Call (450)
awbfb : Fold
rockman03: Call (450)
BJK1971 : Call (450)
*** TURN *** : [ 4h 5d 7h ] [ Qc ]
Jake_Gekko: Check
rockman03: Check
BJK1971 : Check
DOTTT : Bet (1,965)
Jake_Gekko: Call (1,965)
rockman03: Call (1,965)
BJK1971 : Fold
*** RIVER *** : [ 4h 5d 7h Qc ] [ 3h ]
Jake_Gekko: Check
rockman03: Check
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 8,245 | Board: [ 4h 5d 7h Qc 3h ]
Gary8 lost 50 (folded)
SoloPogo didn't bet (folded)
rockman03 lost 2,515 [ 8s Qs ] (a pair of queens)
BJK1971 lost 550 (folded)
DOTTT lost 2,515 (showed hand) [ 4c 4s ] (three of a kind, fours)
Jake_Gekko bet 2,515, collected 8,245, net +5,730 (showed hand) [ Ah 2c ] (a straight, ace to five)
awbfb lost 100 (folded)
Fordman didn't bet (folded)
johnnydingle didn't bet (folded)
another didn't bet (folded)

[SossMan]

Sorry, Shane, but if you are shocked by an 4 outer hitting on the river, then you get shocked pretty easily. If you think that's a really bad beat, then I'm not sure you're cut out for MTT play.