How Does a Randomizer Work?

[OJSimpson]

Interesting discussion at a table I was playing last night where one guy was explaining to another how the Party randomizer works. Now I have no clue how this thing works, so I couldnt say either way whether or not he was right.

However, he said that the numbers are shuffled around and randomly chosen when the cards are dealt. Simple enough, but then he said that the randomizer continues to shuffle the "cards" until the next card is dealt, and then shuffle more in between turn and river. The other guy asked whether or not pausing between bets would effect the next card, which, if the guys explanation of the randomizer was correct, would in fact do this.

Now like I said, I dont know anything about the randomizer, but if thats the way it works, that seems to be the wrong way to handle a shuffle. I always assumed that once the cards were dealt, the rest of the deck was fixed no matter what. Can anyone give any insight into this?

Also, does anyone know if the randomizer burns cards. That could be a problem as well, and Ive never heard anyone talk about that.

[MrFroggyX]

I have heard the opposite. That a deck is shuffled and then it stays fixed for the rest off the hand.

Going to google and see what I can dig up.

Brb.

[daryn]

i have heard the shuffle is as you say, continuous throughout the hand. also there is no need for a burn card. why should all of this matter? if you really think a continuous shuffle and no burn cards affects the deal, you have more things to worry about than the shuffle.

[Cubswin]

The Randomizer is not continuously working...it is reset about once a month. If it was continuously working pattern maps would not be effective.

regards
cubswin

[Wake up CALL]

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I have heard the opposite. That a deck is shuffled and then it stays fixed for the rest off the hand.

Going to google and see what I can dig up.

Brb.


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No need to dig, every major site has a link stating that the shuffle is continious and how various random player actions affect the initial random number generator seed.

[M.B.E.]

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No need to dig, every major site has a link stating that the shuffle is continious and how various random player actions affect the initial random number generator seed.



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No -- some sites have continuous shuffles (e.g. UB) but at least one (PokerStars) generates an entire shuffled deck before each hand, and then stops shuffling until the next hand:

http://tinyurl.com/3d885

[TylerD]

What difference does it make it you know nothing about the state of the random number generator anyway?

[smudgex68]

I also saw that on one site - I've even seen some randomizers add in "real-life" situations to make it more like B&M play.

This happened to me at Real-life-poker.com last week:
No Limit Tourney $100+11. I was UTG with KK and went all in. UTG+2 to my left (who I think was having a massage) and MP1, 2 and 3 mucked. Play went round to BB who went all in.
THEN, and this took me off guard, a message came up saying the dealer had dropped the deck on the muck and the pack was to be reshuffled barring the two all-in hands, but including the mucked cards. The flop came K-T-4 giving me trips. The turn card was another T (little did I know this gave BB quads Ts). After he won the pot, the player having the massage then said he had mucked TT!!! Talk about bad beat.

Online play is now so realistic with the new random life-situation randomizer function, you actually feel like you're playing in a casino.

[Ro-me-ro]

Hi guys,

We use a thermal entropy chip designed specifically by Intel for generating truly random (as opposed to "crackable" pseudorandom) numbers. It is based on movement of atomic particles in constant motion (defined in physics as heat!) and is theoretically impossible to predict. Sorry no pattern maps for you guys I'm afraid.

As if this wasn't random enough, we have added all of our users input into the equation. So when you move your mouse, you are providing truly random input to the random number generator used to shuffle the deck prior to each game.

Full details are here

We don't "burn" cards and conversations with players that think we should are "interesting"!

Ellis

[Wake up CALL]

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No -- some sites have continuous shuffles (e.g. UB) but at least one (PokerStars) generates an entire shuffled deck before each hand, and then stops shuffling until the next hand:



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Nowhere in your link does it make such a statement. You are making an assumption with which I disagree.