Preflop drawing dead problem....

SossMan · #1 02-22-2004, 03:21 AM

At a ten handed table, is it possible to find a combination of nine hands that would leave the person w/ the 10th hand exactly 0 outs preflop (hot and cold, no betting)?
In other words, is it possible to be drawing dead preflop, given a certain combo of opponents hands?

AJo Go All In · #2 02-22-2004, 04:37 AM

yes.

just messing around on twodimes i came up with this:

2c 2d
2s 2h
5c 5d
5s 5h
As Ad
Ac Ah
6d 7h
8s 9c
Ts Jc
Qc Kh

In this scenario both 22s have exactly 0 equity

bigpooch · #3 02-22-2004, 04:37 AM

Quite easily! There are a plethora of examples. Suppose
the tenth hand is 22 and there is another player holding
22 and two other players holding 33. Now the best the 22
can hope for is to play the board with everyone else!

bigpooch · #4 02-22-2004, 04:42 AM

Not quite zero, but very close!

Suppose the board shows up with

Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

then everyone plays the board.

But you may be right that there could be very easily some
combination for which the 22 has EXACTLY zero equity.

AJo Go All In · #5 02-22-2004, 05:09 AM

sorry, that should be Qd Kh

illunious · #6 02-22-2004, 05:55 AM

This thread showed how KK could be drawing dead vs. 6 other hands.

SossMan · #7 02-23-2004, 01:40 PM

Ok...what is the least # of hands to make a given hand dead?

clovenhoof · #8 02-23-2004, 10:58 PM

Allan · #9 02-24-2004, 12:03 AM

Some time ago someone showed how AA could be dead on an 11 handed table.

Allan

Bozeman · #10 02-24-2004, 01:01 AM

This doesn't work because the board could be A4444, etc.