question for live players

[Warren Whitmore]

When a new high limit game opens on line the lower limit games get easier. Is this true in live games as well.

[Mike Gallo]

When a new high limit game opens on line the lower limit games get easier. Is this true in live games as well

Excellent observation.

When the Borgata runs a $20-$40 game and higher, it has a trickle down effect on the $6-$12 games for some reason.

If the Borgata spreads $10-$20 as the highest game, then the $6-$12 games seem a bit more difficult.

[CrackerZack]

At foxwoods, before the 20-40 starts, the 10-20 is still usually pretty moronic as there are usually 3 tables going. What is real annoying is when the 20-40 starts, and the 2 biggest reasons you're at the table get up. Then I usually look at my chips and check my wallet and think about that game, and decide against it. I'm still a bit of a wimp.

[Mike]

Usually, although it depends on what level is the new higher limit game. Maybe it's an unusual situation, but there is a group who won't play with the normal $10-20 crowd for whatever reasons so they will start up a $15-30 game instead for themselves.

So at times it makes the LL game easier, other times no.

[Analyst]

I've noticed the same thing. When the cardroom opens an 8/16 table it tends to drain the better players from the 6/12 games. Yee-hah!

[onegymrat]

I've noticed it as well. Good example from last weekend. Went to an out of town small casino. Sat at a $3-$6 for a couple hours waiting for the $6-$12 to open. Was doing great. $15-$30 went down to four-handed and decided to switch to $6-$12 to accomodate waiting players. I sat and got punished for a couple of hours by the four $15-$30 players. One of them eventually busted out, while the other three went to open a $9-$18. Took a couple of hours after they left to work the regulars and get most (not all) of my money back. Brutal lesson.

[Ulysses]

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I sat and got punished for a couple of hours by the four $15-$30 players.

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There are two factors at work here.

One is that the higher limit players might be better than the standard competition at the lower limit.

But another very significant factor is that when multiple players are playing at a table lower than they normally play, they will often be WAY overaggressive. Until you realize this and adjust (which is not all that easy to do w/ multiple unknown players like this), it's easy to get run over. This happens all the time in both places where I play $15-30 and $20-40. When two or three of these players are sitting in a $6-12 or $9-18 waiting for a higher table, they are often wildly raising and reraising and the $6-12 guys just get out of the way too much.

[Mike]

Ditto - They feel one win in there real game will make up for any losses.

[onegymrat]

You're right on. I am certainly submitting that two of the four players were more experienced than I.

One of the reasons why I play my usual limits ($6-$12 to $9-$18) is that the opponents are quite a bit softer. I do notice that when the mid-stakes guys are doing poorly, they'll "kick-back" at a $6 table and take it out on us. The preflop and flop action was capped three out of every four pots and the swings were huge. The three hands I played were all sets that got cracked on the river. What are you gonna to do, right?

I should have adjusted quicker, which is something I'm still working on. On the other hand, I should have known the type of table I was going to be in, and stayed at the $3 table.

[Buck 65]

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But another very significant factor is that when multiple players are playing at a table lower than they normally play, they will often be WAY overaggressive. Until you realize this and adjust (which is not all that easy to do w/ multiple unknown players like this), it's easy to get run over...... When two or three of these players are sitting in a $6-12 or $9-18 waiting for a higher table, they are often wildly raising and reraising and the $6-12 guys just get out of the way too much.

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I noticed this among the $4-$8/$6-$12 players ,who wait in $3-$6 , and do exactly that.
I usually wait them out.
How could I counter act their wild play before they leave?