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#1
12-24-2003, 12:30 PM
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Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
This is at the Majorkong/Clarkmeister table. The blinds are $1-$2 and the bets are structured $4-$8.
Preflop: I am UTG and I raise to $6 with KQo. MP1 (who has been raising much PF, and has not shown down many hands) makes it $10. I am pretty sure he is clued in enough to put me on a good hand with an UTG raise, and this is his first 3-bet preflop (that I have noticed at least). Everyone else folds and I call. Flop: T 9 3 rainbow I check, he bets, I fold. (CM or MK, correct me if I described the $10 PFR wrong). 
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#3
12-24-2003, 12:51 PM
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Re: Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
I see 10 outs (3Ks, 3Qs, 4Js)...well worth a call IMO. Who knows what his opponent is sitting on...maybe a quality pocket pair like AA/KK/QQ/JJ or AK/AQ/AJ/TT or some small pocket pair.
I think a bet on the flop is important here, if you are checking...plan on folding (as you did). If you bet and get raised...then you have a better idea where you stand. I just think you gave this hand up too easy, but I also think the KQo raise from UTG is overplayed. Wondering what others think about the KQo raise from UTG...especially considering the blind structure, as a steal doesn't have much value (not even 1SB)
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#4
12-24-2003, 01:10 PM
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Re: Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
I am using the term "out" to refer to a card that will give you the winning hand. Not just a card that will improve your hand.
It is likely that his actual outs are between 4 and 10. I think closer to 4. He is getting pot odds of of 9:1, so I think a call is order, but he might need to fold unless he makes the nuts.
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#6
12-24-2003, 02:17 PM
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Re: Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
Whoops! I divided by 3 instead of 4. Your good, Homer.
So its 7:1, do you think she should call? I think she did the right thing by folding. A Jack is the only clean out.
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#7
12-24-2003, 01:17 PM
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Re: Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
tsk tsk...all this time and you don't know rharless is a 'she'?
I'd call and probably check-fold the turn and think, wow, I suck at poker. Crappy hand, out of position, sucks, move on.
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#8
12-24-2003, 01:20 PM
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Re: Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
Hey Cracker...I see your avatar and constantly wonder wtf that is from...please explain! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Thanks meng! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#10
12-24-2003, 01:50 PM
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Re: Mandalay Bay 4-8: Folded 10 outer on the flop
Wondering what others think about the KQo raise from UTG
I raise it over half but not all of the time. In this structure I think it is even more important to raise it pf. Plus, I know with an UTG raise, I probably won't have to deal with kong or clarky playing against me. There's a LOT of value in that one. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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