BAD KK Laydown?

[Tilt-a-Whirl]

Party 1/2

I'm in the Small blind with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

3 calls and 3 folds to me, I raise. The BB folds and the other 3 call.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]

<font color="blue">Well not what I wanted, but I decide to come out firing to see where I'm at. </font>

I bet, all three call

** Dealing Turn ** : [ J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]

<font color="blue">Heres where I lose my mind. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] </font>

I check, 2 others check, the last bets. I LAY IT DOWN, one other calls the other folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]

They both check and the turn raiser shows T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

My K's were leading the whole way. GRRRR.

This hand leads me to a question that I struggle with....when to give up pocker pairs with overcards hit. I disticntly remember thinking that with 4 people in the hand, 1 had to have the Ace...

what really sucks, is that if I would have bet, they might have folded to me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Smack me around!

[elindauer]

Pretty bad. You bet to "find out where you are", then, when they say, "hey, no worries man, we're all just drawing", you check fold the turn?!

OK, option 1: check fold the flop. Painful? Yes. A profitable way to play KK? Yes. You have flopped less-than-top-pair, with very few outs. This is not a hand to fall in love with.

option 2: bet the turn, fold if raised. No one has shown any strength. Fire again.


Both of these options are better than betting and check/folding the turn, in my opinion, unless the bettor is both very tight and very passive.


my 2 cents.
Eric

[Tilt-a-Whirl]

Your right...Maybe I have a split personality. Bet and fold.. wtf was I doing.

I think I wanted to start out strong and when everyone called, I told myslef "someone has an A". I think 9 out of 10 times they do. So probably folding on the flop is the best answer...especially in the SB

[Ray Zee]

your name says it all. you arent thinking you are playing your two hole cards by emotion. emotion gets you broke.

[Tosh]

You played the hand badly and you obviously know that. Just make sure to learn from these hands.

[LetsRock]

SMACK! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

If you got some aggression on the flop bet, then I could see why you'd be concerned. When you checked the turn, it was open season on your flop "bluff". I gotta bet this until I'm told otherwise. If someone has the nerve to slowplay a weak-ace hand here, then I'll tip my cap on the river.

Amazing that someone will bet out for gutshot on the turn,, but I guess his plan came together.

SMACK! (one more for good measure [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

[GrinningBuddha]

The button had 14 outs on the turn, and the preflop raiser didn't bet on the turn either, so he must have missed too. May as well try and pick up the pot there, no? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]