6- Handed river value bet?

[spamuell]

Gaming Club 1/2 Hold'em, 6-Handed

Just sat down, no reads.

Hero is the button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG folds, EP limps, MP folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, EP limper calls

Four to the flop for 8SB: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, BB checks, EP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, EP calls

Three to the turn for 11SB: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, EP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, EP calls

Three to the river for 8.5BB: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, EP checks, Hero checks behind

Do I have a value bet on this river? What if the board hadn't paired, making it more likely a higher flush would raise me? It just seems that if someone did hold the blank K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and they were pretty tight-passive, which many players at this limit are, this is exactly the way they would be likely to play it, with a probably c/r on the river. Thoughts?

Incidentally, the results are in white below:

<font color="white"> I show my hand and the other players muck (because of the stupid showdown system on The Gaming Club, I don't see what hands they held). </font>

[soda]

I think we can safely discount the possibility of a full house based on the action. Therefore, you only really fear the K and Q of spades. You stated that you thought the bare K would likely go for a CR on the river, but that seems doubtful to me if these players hold any skill whatsoever. The 4 flush on board tends to lessen the chance of a CR because of the high probability that you would check behind (as you did).

So, I think you have an argument of discounting even the King in most circumstances and I think you have a clear value bet here. The other players will make a crying call with any spade here, especially at this limit where the money means very little and your opponents do not lay down many "hands".

I believe this is a clear value bet. I certainly would have bet third semi-nut here.

soda

[LJH]

YOU HAD NO VALUE BET. YOU DID THE RIGHT THING BY CHECKING. LJH

[soda]

No value bet? Fair enough, but why not? Do you believe that worse hands will not call here in this game? Do you believe the chance of a checkraise negates the extra money gained by a value bet here?

I'm interested to hear your reasoning.

Thanks,

soda

[stripsqueez]

i think this is an easy bet - 2 pair will sometimes pay to see your flush - not to mention 3 aces and smaller flushes - i will obviously call a check raise - i've seen players check raise smaller spades than third best so i'm not too fussed

in a good game this is an even bigger value bet

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[Ulysses]

So, I read this post and thought it was a really good question. Then I read the responses and realized you had the 9 of spades. Bet.