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11-11-2003, 06:19 AM
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Final Table Tourney Question..
Fairly new to the game, but I'm looking for some feedback on my friend's play tonight at a local casino's weekly Limit Hold'em tournament. It's $65 to enter, and sells out consistantly at 110 players, he's fortunate enough to make it to the final 3 players, where the blinds have reached $4000T/$8000T. He's sitting in the small blind with an additional $8500T in chips, while the player in the big blind is all in with exactly $8000T (yes, the player on the button has a monumental chip lead!) The button folded, my buddy stared at his cards for about a minute, and finally mucked.
My question to him later, and to you now...What the heck was he thinking? Why give the guy a chance to stay around any longer, take a chance and knock him out, at the very worst, he'd realistically have two hands left to double up again. As is were, he of course ended up finishing third (cost himself about $500 I believe), but still says he'd play it the same way next time. He had 9-5 offsuit, but I contest I would've played it. How about you? 
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#3
11-11-2003, 09:45 AM
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Re: Final Table Tourney Question..
It's discussed in TPFAP. The bb has a random hand. Your buddy is getting 3:1 to call from the sb and can't be raised. In this situation, NO hand is so bad that he's more than a 3:1 underdog, so he must call. It seems like it should be wrong to play 72o etc here, but the math overrides your instincts in these situations. I have been doing this since reading the book, and have won a lot more pots than you'd think by properly taking the overlay, even tho my actual hand is crappy. Same situation would exist if you were in the bb and you knew for a fact the sb will always raise with any two cards. If you have exactly one more bb worth of chips, you call him every time. Situations also arise in no limit where you must call even tho you have a crappy hand. It's just wrong to turn down too much of an overlay when you're about to be out anyway, so you might as well go for it.
al
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#4
11-11-2003, 11:47 AM
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Re: Final Table Tourney Question..
Your buddy was wrong, he should've called since he had more than sufficient pot odds, and the difference between folding and calling where he loses aren't that different. In either case where the BB survives, he can fold his SB the next hand, and force your friend all-in when he's the big blind the next hand. Your friend is all-in on his BB whether he folded this key hand, or called and lost.
Once your friend does call, if he loses, he almost has to fold his button the next hand, and hope the other short stack finds a good hand that he wants to play, and thus your friend might creep into 2nd place when the other short stack gets unlucky. AA is probably the only exception. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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#5
11-11-2003, 02:56 PM
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Re: Final Table Tourney Question..
I agree with everyone here.
If you don't look at your cards, then it's 50-50 who's going to win here, and you're getting 3-1 on it. Easy call. Please don't ask me how not looking at your cards changes your odds of winning! Guy.
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#6
11-11-2003, 03:52 PM
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Re: Final Table Tourney Question..
Ok, you convinced me...I will be down to play in one of these tourneys ASAP! Of course, I will be back here the next day, either telling a bad beat story or getting picked apart for my ill-advised all-in...
Autocall here for me.
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#7
11-11-2003, 04:43 PM
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Re: Final Table Tourney Question..
If you dont look at your cards you wont know you have 9-5o. Also my guess is that your 42.7% is a heads up number. Playing 3 handed with one fold is not the same as playing heads up. The fold combined with your rags increases the probability that you are facing a better than random hand.
Its still not worse than 3/1 though, and a call is right.
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#8
11-12-2003, 01:48 PM
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Re: Final Table Tourney Question..
> If you dont look at your cards you wont know you have 9-5o.
. You don't have to. Even in the absolute worst case of you having 3s2c and having seen the button muck 3c2s so that 2 of your 6 pairing cards are dead, you are still only a 32.2% dog and have an easy call.
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