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View Poll Results: RGP vs 2+2 Draw Poker | |||
2+2 | 2 | 20.00% | |
RGP | 3 | 30.00% | |
Sklansky | 1 | 10.00% | |
Malmuth | 0 | 0% | |
Elvis would kill us all | 4 | 40.00% | |
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll |
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Who are the best Draw players at paradise
Here is my list, any comments, did I miss anyone? Do any of these people here post on 2+2? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
<ul type="square">[*]Leather[*]Bigpooch[*]Hateful[*]Aces_Kings[*]7777[*]Betty 2[*]Sathmary[*]5th Street[*]Louise 5[*]Gammazan[*]Maveric78[*]SOS112[/list] I also saw the thread here on an RGP vs 2+2 Draw challenge. So who would win? |
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
What about TD Lowball? Or is he not allowed in this list because of his Mason-bashing? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
yes!
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
So any advice for a 2+2 newbie venturing out into the 1/2 Draw at paradise?
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
always, always, always, make the blinds pay to play
it could only be when you are a good player in a good school that any other tactic should occur to you stripsqueez - chickenhawk |
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
The summary by Michael Wiesenberg in Card Player on
high draw (Aug. 1/03) is useful to a beginner. On the other hand, there are clearly strategic and tactical improvements and it is quite important to play according to your opponents. A good book to look at is Zadeh's Winning Poker Systems; and, of course, you should consider Malmuth's Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball. How you will do in the game is very much a function of the opposition! Unfortunately, there are no regular draw games of bigger limits; rarely, you will find a 3-6 draw and even more rarely a 5-10 but these often only last a few hours. |
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
Yet, despite your success and rep you seem to avoid the 3-6 when it goes. So does Leather it seems. You're right, though, they don't last long. About time for a 2-4!!
What other names belong on the list? I'd put Alice Liddell near the top. Wilky123 and _donsomething are often hanging around the 3-6 looking for action. I didn't make the list - glad to remain anonymous - haha. Didn't recognize "bygmesterf" - I wonder what his Paradise name is ... |
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
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Yet, despite your success and rep you seem to avoid the 3-6 when it goes. So does Leather it seems. You're right, though, they don't last long. About time for a 2-4!! [/ QUOTE ] Why Doesn't paradise promote draw more. It seems like it would be more popular if more people knew about it. [ QUOTE ] What other names belong on the list? I'd put Alice Liddell near the top. Wilky123 and _donsomething are often hanging around the 3-6 looking for action. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, I forgot to include those folks. I wonder who the mysterious TD Lowball / plays as. And if he is as good as Stew says he is? [ QUOTE ] I didn't make the list - glad to remain anonymous - haha. Didn't recognize "bygmesterf" - I wonder what his Paradise name is ... [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure your make any revised list. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
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The summary by Michael Wiesenberg in Card Player on high draw (Aug. 1/03) is useful to a beginner. On the other hand, there are clearly strategic and tactical improvements and it is quite important to play according to your opponents. [/ QUOTE ] Don't you think he kind of overplay's two pair? and is too quick to raise? How do you adjust for opponents who call too much, or are very tight? [ QUOTE ] A good book to look at is Zadeh's Winning Poker Systems; and, of course, you should consider Malmuth's Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball. [/ QUOTE ] What do think of the draw section in Super System, is it in any way still usefull? Doesn't seem so. Do you think there are some old time California pro's playing draw online? [ QUOTE ] How you will do in the game is very much a function of the opposition! Unfortunately, there are no regular draw games of bigger limits; rarely, you will find a 3-6 draw and even more rarely a 5-10 but these often only last a few hours. [/ QUOTE ] What kind of players do you see in those big draw games? Are there 3/6 or 5/10 draw fish? Is the play different from play at a 1/2 table? Bygmesterf |
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Re: Who are the best Draw players at paradise
How to play 2 pairs depends on the exact position
and who is raising (and who acts after you). Wiesenberg's advice on two pair is not that much of an overplay but will be against the players that are more selective raising (hence, you need notes). Players typically don't raise with hands that they can do so. Also, keep in mind that this is a raked game and it will play a role when pots get to $5 or more or if they increase the probability that the rake will be more; wouldn't you hate to think of the rake when you are putting in that bet after the draw? :-( The raising requirements given in the article are adequate but not super refined. For you nits out there, you can get your computer to work out more precise hand requirements; but of course, even draw isn't played in a vacuum! Nevertheless it is a useful baseline to work from, especially versus a new player. Your profit from these games comes from your opponents' major technical errors. They may not be raising with hands that they ought to, or playing hands that blow off some equity such as drawing hands and shorts, or they simply steam away some of their chips! And there are always fish: their error rate and thinking can be exploited. The 3-6 plays differently because the SB is only 1/3 the big blind and hence the minimum hand requirements will be somewhat tighter. A dominating factor that the 3-6 players may not be aware of is the rake: $0.25 gets taken out of any $6 or $7 pot! Thus, the play should tighten up significantly relative to optimal play in the 1-2. The good thing about the 5-10 is that the rake is taken in increments of $1 but that game is a rare bird yet I did see it go for a short time just recently! |
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