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Old 10-30-2003, 05:29 PM
pufferfish pufferfish is offline
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Default When you don’t get rivered

10 handed micro-limit, typical texture.

I got rivered several times in this session. Perhaps because of that this hand struck a chord. I think my opponent played his hand fairly well.

I’m on the button with J’s.

UTG+2 open-limps, LMP calls and I raise. SB, UTG+2 and LMP call. Four see the flop for 8 sb.

FLOP: [ 8 4 2 ] – rainbow.

SB bets, folded to me and I call. Two see the turn for 5 bb.

TURN: [ 8 4 2 ] [ Q ] – rainbow complete.

SB bets, I raise and SB calls. Two see the river for 9 bb.

RIVER: [ 8 4 2 Q ] [ 3 ]

SB checks, I bet and SB calls.

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SB had A2o.

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Old 10-30-2003, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: When you don’t get rivered

I think your opponent played terribly.
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Old 10-30-2003, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: When you don’t get rivered

Your opponent played this well?

Called a raise out of the SB with A-2o.

Flop bet - maybe.

Called a turn raise (made by the PF raiser) with possibly a dead overcard and bottom pair and no draw?

And paid off the river?

I hate to see what he'd have to do to play poorly.
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Old 10-30-2003, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: When you don’t get rivered

I think my opponent played his hand fairly well.

Huh? Usually remarks like this, whose sarcasm isn't obvious, should be accompanied by a smiley face of some sort or another. When it's not it makes me wonder if you just forgot, or if you're actually that bad... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 10-30-2003, 06:32 PM
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Default The pre-flop call was stinky...

But, I’m not one to write off an entire hand because of an early mistake.

My pre-flop raises had been getting looser and looser because they kept folding to me. Heck, I had it folded around to the BB on a UTG limp, more than once. Maybe I should have mentioned that, I just didn’t think about it. Oh yea, I was also bluffing a lot.

I think he did well on the flop with his 5+ outer. He had the odds to call but he bet instead. He did manage to get it HU and I just called.

So, on the turn he bets into the pre-flop raiser again. The same pre-flop raiser that just called on the flop. The same pre-flop raiser that could be chasing overcards, the same pre-flop raiser that might fold. Pretty gutsy if you ask me.

So I raise his turn bet and he calls. Maybe he should have folded. Maybe that Queen helped me, maybe I didn’t need the help, maybe I’m semi-bluffing. Hard to tell, hard to tell.

The river brings no relief. If I was drawing, the only card on that board I should like is the Queen. So he checks to me and makes a crying call in a 10 bb pot.

I did say fairly well, and yes GOT maybe I am that bad. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Old 10-30-2003, 06:42 PM
GuyOnTilt GuyOnTilt is offline
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Default Re: The pre-flop call was stinky...

...and yes GOT maybe I am that bad

It was all in jest my friend, all in jest.

As for your opponent's play, if you had been frequently bluff betting/raising and blind-stealing then I guess maybe it's reasonable to call the turn raise. Once he does, he's obviously committed to calling you down on the river.
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Old 10-30-2003, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: When you don’t get rivered

I'm not sure why you think your opponent played it good?

He should have mucked PF, and the flop, and the turn, and the river.

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Old 10-30-2003, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: The pre-flop call was stinky...

I should have said something about the table texture. This session was at UB which can play similar to Paradise in being loose/weak or a loose/weak-passive mix. I didn’t get many big pots off this table, although others were.

It took me a long time to tighten up my starting standards. Unfortunately at tables like this and even more so at Paradise, I find it hard to keep opponents in a hand with me. So I’ve been trying different things to adjust.

I find these tables very enjoyable, probably because at heart I’m just a bluff-baby. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 10-30-2003, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: When you don’t get rivered

I'm not sure why you think your opponent played it good?

I didn’t say good, I said fairly well. I was making a lot of loose raises and bluffs.

He should have mucked PF, and the flop, and the turn, and the river.

Pre-flop – true.

On the flop he had odds for his 5+ outer.

Turn – am I bluffing or not?

River – you wouldn’t make a crying call in a 10 bb pot with that board and me as your opponent?

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Old 10-30-2003, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: The pre-flop call was stinky...

I think your giving to much credit to your opponent for critical thinking...and I think you might be over analyzing your own plays. This was .50/1.00 -- semi-bluffs are non-existent. I gurantee that your opponenet wasn't trying to figure if you were putting a "move" on him. To me it looks like a bad player calling the worst pair all the way down to the river.

Don't get me wrong, if you were winning money, and not just pots, this way - more power to you.

You said you were bluffing alot - I *RELISH* that type of player at my table. - perhaps the reason this poor player "got HU" with you is because the rest are waiting for a hand to punish you with. (In my mind calling you down with a pair of 2's isn't it)

Different strokes for different folks I guess...good luck.

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