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Old 10-06-2003, 05:10 PM
Aximillian Aximillian is offline
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Default Two hands in a row for critique

These two happened back to back. $5/$10 Paradise

Delt: 2d2c in LMP

UTG folds, EP folds, EMP calls, MP folds, I call, LP folds, CO calls, BU folds, SB folds, BB checks. Four see flop

*** FLOP *** : [ 3c Js 2h ]

BB checks, EMP checks, I bet, CO folds, BB folds, EMP calls. Heads up to turn...

*** TURN *** : [ 3c Js 2h ] [ Qd ]

He checks, I bet, he calls...

*** RIVER *** : [ 3c Js 2h Qd ] [ Ks ]

He checks, I bet, he raises, I re-raise, he calls...


Hand 2:

Delt AdKd in MP

Folded to me, I raise, LMP calls, LP folds, CO calls, rest fold. 3 see flop...

*** FLOP *** : [ Jh 5s Ks ]

I bet, both call...

*** TURN *** : [ Jh 5s Ks ] [ 6d ]

I bet, LMP calls, CO raises, I re-raise, LMP calls again, CO caps, all call...

*** RIVER *** : [ Jh 5s Ks 6d ] [ As ]

I bet, LMP folds, CO calls...

Thoughts? Results when I get home from work
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Old 10-06-2003, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

Hand 1 - Nice
Hand 2 - I think I would check-call the river, as I don't want to call a raise but don't think I could fold to it. It seems your opponent has, at a minimum, K-J, but probably something better.
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Old 10-06-2003, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

Dont get your logic behind betting the river. What is it that you have LMP on besides a flush?
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Old 10-06-2003, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

I said I would check, not bet. You misread my post.
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Old 10-06-2003, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

Hand 2: With K-J I think CO would have raised on the flop with 2 pair. You are probably the best hand and want to charge the preflop raiser, who may have AK, to draw to the ace.

And if he has a set of KKK or JJJ, you want to know when the bets are cheaper. Plus if he has JJJ or 888 you still have about 4 outs to hit a full house, so you might as well try to cap the flop.
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Old 10-06-2003, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

I think you misread my post as well. I don't know what you are referring to here.

I advocated checking the river, not the flop. I don't think my initial post was difficult to understand!
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Old 10-06-2003, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

I was only replying to your putting the Opponent in hand two on KJ. Just thought KJ would have raised on the flop when AK bet into him with top pair top kicker. But the 66 only called.

But I agree with your analysis that in hand two the Opponent has two pair or better. Just think it is unlikely that he had KJ on the flop. I think the 6 made the two pair or trips because that is when Opponent sprang to life.

Also, if the Opponent had KJ in hand two for two pair on the flop, he would strongly suspect because of the preflop raise and the bet out on the flop that the preflop raiser may have AK. If the preflop raiser has AK, you want to raise with KJ to force the preflop raiser to pay to catch his second Ace.

But there was no raise from the 66 opponent, so I doubt he had the KJ.

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Old 10-06-2003, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

The only thing I'd consider doing differently (and I'll probably get reamed for saying this on this site) is check-calling the river on Hand #2. The Turn cap indicates a possible set, and I'd definitely worry that the river spade flushed LMP.
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Old 10-06-2003, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

Hand 1: Unlikely to have a straight with A10 or 910, since he didn't cap on the river. Though it is possible. Unlikely to have a set on the flop as he did not bet out on the flop or turn. Probably has a K as he raised on the river, thinking you had Js or Qs.

Most likely he had K3s and raised with two pair.

Hand 2: He only called on the flop. So unlikely to have a set. But he was following you with something, K low kicker or more likely J. He raised when the 6 hit so probably J6d or J6 clubs. He raised with the two pair, and you won with higher two pair.

I think the reraise is not good as you were the preflop raiser, he could easily put you on AK, so I think he has two pair or even 66 for a set of 6s.
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Old 10-06-2003, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: Two hands in a row for critique

Hand 1)
At 5/10 Paradise limping in LMP with 22 after just one other limper is questionable. The rest is fine. Did he have KJ?

Hand 2)
Gotta love those double edged outs. Your hand improved but the flush and straight draws just got there.

I like checking the river. LMP sure looks like he's on a flush draw. If you check, he bets and CO calls or folds then you can call and close the action. If you check and LMP checks I think you can count on the CO to bet any hand with which he'd call so I don't think you are giving anything up by checking.

Bottom line: if you are raised you have likely lost but will have to call so it costs you two bets. If you check you will likely collect as many bets when you win as you would if you had bet (if any of that makes any sense).

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