Monster Pot

[slider77]

$1/$2 at Party

Loose, aggressive, borderline maniacal.....

Ends up in a 52 BB pot.

At what point should Player F ( [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] ) have folded his KK? How about raising the flop?



Dealt to Player F [ Kc, Ks ]
Player A folds.
Player B calls (1)
Player C calls (1)
Player D calls (1)
Player E calls (1)
Player F raises (2) to 2
Player G calls (2)
Player H calls (1.50)
Player I folds.
Player B raises (2) to 3
Player C calls (2)
Player D calls (2)
Player E calls (2)
Player F raises (2) to 4
Player G calls (2)
Player H calls (2)
Player B calls (1)
Player C calls (1)
Player D calls (1)
Player E calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 5c, 6h ]
Player H checks.
Player B checks.
Player C bets (1)
Player D calls (1)
Player E calls (1)
Player F calls (1)
Player G raises (2) to 2
Player H calls (2)
Player B folds.
Player C raises (2) to 3
Player D folds.
Player E calls (2)
Player F calls (2)
Player G raises (2) to 4
Player H calls (2)
Player C calls (1)
Player E calls (1)
Player F calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
Player H checks.
Player C bets (2)
Player E folds.
Player F calls (2)
Player G raises (4) to 4
Player H calls (4)
Player C raises (4) to 6
Player F calls (4)
Player G calls (2)
Player H calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Td ]
Player H bets (2)
Player C raises (4) to 4
Player F calls (4)
Player G calls (4)
Player H raises (4) to 6
Player C raises (4) to 8
Player F calls (4)
Player G calls (4)
Player H calls (2)

[Ed Miller]

[slider77]

It is a little hard to read, but that's how the hand history comes out at Party Poker.

[Ed Miller]

It is a little hard to read, but that's how the hand history comes out at Party Poker.

My mistake...

[Mike Haven]

you and i and any internet poker player can read these hand histories as second nature but there is a convention in this forum to turn the hand histories into text

i seem to remember that someone like sklansky said that if you sat and waited for AA or KK in these games you would make money in the long run and i don't think this centre looks dangerous enough to be an early fold

on the other hand, if you don't raise no one knows they need to be wary of you (if you want them to be to try to slow the action a tad!)

presumably it turns out that G had 66, C had 87o, and H had KQh? bad luck

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Hand histories are VERY hard to read, which was what I think Majorkong was getting at. I do not respond to posts that have just a hand history cut-and-pasted. SUMMARIZE the hand history. All that extraneous, useless info just drives away people who may have otherwise had something useful to add to the situation.

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[Mike Haven]

let's try to get to the bottom of ss forum members' difficulties with reading hand histories, in a civil manner, and try to reach a middle ground?

the one above is crystal clear to me and to every other internet poker player

it's not like a b&m hand review - you can't bring in "the guy with the hat paused for twenty seconds, studying the trembling hands of the sweating reraiser"

it's bet, call, call, raise, call, etc, and that's it on the internet

it may be that calling the players A, B, C makes the storyline a little more difficult to follow, but that was done to keep confidentiality - (very decent of slider77 to take the time to edit the hand history, i thought, by the way) - perhaps our brains need names or poker-seats to make it clearer? would it be better to change the A, B, C to Andy, Bill, Clint, or to UTG, UTG+1, MP?

i would like to know, because personally i shy away from posting hand histories here as i know how badly they are received by the b&m players, and basically i like things easy and couldn't be bothered turning a simple hand history into descriptive text

i have never heard a single complaint from the internet forum guys saying that they had any problem whatsoever with people copy-pasting hand histories - but that's maybe because we are used to reading two hundred of them in one go after a three hour session

[Nottom]

I don't know about whether you should fold, but I don't like any of these plays ...

Flop:
Player F calls (1)
Player F calls (2)
Player F calls (1)
Turn:
Player F calls (2)
Player F calls (4)
Player F calls (2)
River:
Player F calls (2)

[slider77]

OK......you would like a fold or raise?

I know there are at least 2 guys betting heavily on a potential draw. I know the players well enough that a raise at this point - and this pot - is not going to make them fold. I figure there is an outside chance KK wins and that a K on the river or turn would win it for me. So I want to pay the minumum price to stay around and pick up the pieces. But both these guys completed their draw on the turn and river.

[slider77]

lol, okay - ignore the post if it's that's much trouble understanding it - it's not that big of a deal.