My Rating of Authors on RGP

[David Sklansky]

Just to clarify for those who read that post. I named several authors who I thought could make as much as 100K a year playing ring game limit holdem and who couldn't. That opinion was not based solely on their writings. In many cases I was using my knowledge of their actual play.

[Easy E]

"That opinion was not based solely on their writings. In many cases I was using my knowledge of their actual play. "

hee hee! Slap 'em upside the head for their writing AND playing ability?!?! Let the flames begin!!

[thomastem]

Where can I find this thread? Did you rate my goat?

[Vehn]

I would guess you haven't played much with Carson as you don't play a lot of 6/12 any more?

[PokerBabe(aka)]

David- Would you reprint those rankings of authors here please? LGPG, Babe [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[Easy E]

lead you right to the whole thing

[David Sklansky]

I did not actually rank them. Rather I guessed that those who could make 100K a year, if their life depended on it, (by playing 60-120 or samaller, ring game holdem) included, me, Mason, Ray, Feeney, Brunson, Brier, Cooke, and maybe Krieger. Those who couldn't, at ring game holdem that is, included Ciaffone, Caro, Carson, Hellmuth, Jones, McEvoy, and Warren. Again that was sometimes based on more than just their writing.

[Zeno]

For all those who want to avoid the hassle of the link posted by Easy E, the following quote is a cut and paste of David's "last post at RPG". So this answers the "author's question".

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My partners feel that given our large ad revenue (that I share in) , on our own
forum, it is not appropriate that I get involved in discussions here. I am
honoring that request. It has nothing to do with the people or the words
written here. If there is a thread on rgp that I believe demands my attention,
I will post an advisory here that I have addressed it on twoplustwo. Most of my
strategy advice has always been on that forum anyway.


Tying up a couple of loose ends:


The lowball question in my tournament book is not flawed. You stand pat with
the king and bet if you are checked to. This wins you the pot more often than
by drawing, against most players.


As to the question of how good writers must play if their work is to be taken
seriously I say this: There are a couple of hundred people out there who could
grind out 100K a year playing ring game 10-20 through 60-120. Assuming they
were playing their best. I am one of them. If we are talking holdem, others are
Mason Malmuth, Ray Zee, John Feeney, Doyle Brunson, Roy Cooke, Jim Brier, and
probably Lou Krieger. I have my doubts about Bob Ciaffone, Mike Caro, Gary
Carson, Phil Hellmuth, Lee Jones, Tom McEvoy, and of course Ken Warren and his
ilk. All these guys have shown to be confused aboout some aspect of holdem ,
although I think some of them would beat the game. But not for 100K a year in
middle size full ring games.


Beating small games, very big games, or shorthanded games are attributes that
do not translate into the the ability to teach the majority of poker players
what they want to know. Namely how to beat medium size day to day ring games. I
believe I can do that as well as any poker player alive (if I was disguised). I
have named those writers who I think are in my league in that category snd some
who I think are not. Those who are not will often write stuff that is wrong and
give you advice that will cost you money. If you can distinguish the bad advice
from the good advice in their books, it is worth reading them.


Anything else I have to say will be said on Two Plus Two.


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[Zeno]

So there is no misunderstanding my "edit" of David's last post was to change the subject title, and to make paragraphs in the text, as the cut and paste came out blocky. No words were changed.

-Zeno

[Zeno]

Mr. Sklansky,

I assume that your opinion of Bob Ciaffone in regards to pot-limit hold'em play is different than limit hold'em play. A clear statement about this would be appreciated.

-Zeno