AJs part 1

[Avivs]

Playing in a live 15-30 game on the button you pick up A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
1 limper in MP, you raise, an aggressive player in the SB Reraise and both MP and you calls.
Flop comes: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB bets, MP calls.
Do you Fold, Call or Raise?
(to be continued)

[LondonBroil]

[bruce]

It's an easy call. If you routinely make this type of laydown you are playing way too tight. Firstly by calling you complete the betting action. Secondly and more importantly, and I'll skip the math, why would you even
consider folding? This is a huge pot. You may still have
the best hand, however slim that might be, and depending upon the turn card you may pick up a monster draw, including
an additional out if your Ace is good.

Bruce

[Diplomat]

Call for sure. I'm too tired to do a detailed elaboration, but some of the reasons include:

Your raise could look like an isolation raise of the MP. A three-bet may come from a wider range of hands than you think.

You can pick up quite a few draws on the turn.

The pot is large and looks to get bigger.

-Diplomat

[Avivs]

You call on the flop and the turn is the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
The board so far: (10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB bets and MP Raise!
what do you think they have and what is the correct play?
(results to follow)

[bad beetz]

dending on the bettor and caller. I may call or fold, with calling happening more often. I don't think raising is worth while.

you have two overcards + 3 straight + 3 nutflush. That's enough to pay 1 closing the betting.

[Ulysses]

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Do you Fold, Call or Raise?

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Call

[clovenhoof]

Fold fold fold fold fold.

As to the flop, maybe my EV can handle chasing with these hands, but my bankroll can't handle meeting the third standard deviation, which becomes an inevitability.

As to the turn, I guess I just gained an out (traded three jacks for four kings), and now I'm drawing to something that'll win, but I don't see enough cash there to call these two bets and the reraise that will come 33% of the time.

If you can put BB on 3 betting with KT or 99, and limper tagging along with 98 or 93, then by all means fire away, because those are pretty much the only hands you can have sufficient odds to beat.

I don't know the game you play with, but I don't think you can exclude from both hands all of AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AQ, AJ, AT, QT, JT, TT, T8, A8, J8, Q8, 88 or 33 with the certainty you need to make the hand worth playing.

'hoof

[Avivs]

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As to the turn, I guess I just gained an out (traded three jacks for four kings)

'hoof

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Please count them again.
there are also 4 nines...

[mikelow]

Not even close. Two already in on this raggy rainbow flop with only one heart. Give it up.