Common AA flop situation

Atropos · #1 12-14-2005, 07:55 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($271.59)
CO ($208.25)
Button ($265.85)
SB ($210.30)
BB ($194)
Hero ($258)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $8, MP raises to $14, 1 fold, Button calls $14, 2 folds, Hero raises to $50, MP folds, Button calls $36.

Flop: ($117) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $100, Button raises to $200

Some problems with this hand for me:
a) I'm ouf of position, which always sucks
b) I know nothing about the Button, because he just sat down, one of his first hands
c) His preflop play does not really make sense to me - I cant put him on a hand really.
d) I played this flop in a most stupid way. He minraised me quasi all-in. I have to call 100$ in a 417$ pot --> I need a 23.9% Chance to win to break even.

Against set: around 12.5% --> fold, if he could only have a set

Against two pair: 29.09% --> even with two pair I have to call, because of my bet at the flop

Against KK, QQ, AK flushdraw, Straightdraw (highly unlikely) folding would be a catastrophe.

Two questions:
a) Do you call against totally unknown player?
b) Do you play the flop the same? Or do you try a check-raise, because you have the Ace of clubs, which makes flushdraw less likely + redraw outs? What if you didnt have the Ace of clubs?

PoBoy321 · #2 12-14-2005, 08:07 AM

Given stack sizes, this is an easy all-in.

Atropos · #3 12-14-2005, 08:12 AM

Yeah thats for sure, I have to call his final bet. I already realized this myself.

The more interesting question is if a check-raise allin line is better than a bet / call line here

PoBoy321 · #4 12-14-2005, 08:13 AM

3-betting pre-flop then checking the flop can almost never be right.

Morrek · #5 12-14-2005, 08:46 AM

Very easy push considering the preflop action

Atropos · #6 12-14-2005, 09:07 AM

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You mean overbetting the pot by pushing all-in with an 208$ all-in in a 107$ pot? Which hands do you expect to call, which do you expect to fold?

AcesUp2121 · #7 12-14-2005, 09:25 AM

He's referring to the action on the flop I believe. After he comes over the top of you all in is the only play. No broadway cards hit the flop. If he hung around with a smaller pair, nothing you can do.

4_2_it · #8 12-14-2005, 09:39 AM

3-bet all in on flop is standard. Unless he flopped a set you are a favorite (can't see two pair here after pre-flop action). The only thing that is cause for concern is button cold-called two raises and then a 3-bet. That screams pocket pair. Hopefully it's JJ-KK.

Morrek · #9 12-14-2005, 09:50 AM

Yeah when he raises you you don't have any choice but to push the rest of your chips in the middle, which is what I meant. If he has TT then so be it, he's getting my stack everytime

Atropos · #10 12-14-2005, 09:56 AM

You all realize that 3-Bet all-in is only 8$ more in this hand? Just wanted to clarify.

I agree that if I bet 100$ at the flop, and he raises me all the money has to go in. The question however is, if I should bet the flop at all and rather go for a check-raise all-in? KK, QQ etc... would still bet, TT will of course also bet. But maybe I could get a bet from some low pocket pair, that would have folded to the beat. It seems to me that betting 100 and then calling all-in only gets me action from KK,QQ,Flushdraw and hands that beat me.