Question about chopping blinds

ineedmoneybad · #1 07-12-2003, 01:38 AM

If two players chop blinds a few times does that mean they chop every time its the 2 of them in the blinds or only when both agree?
Example two players have been chopping every time for the past 3 hours then the bb gets A-A and says he doesnt want to chop the hand.
Ok or bad etiquette?

baseball38 · #2 07-12-2003, 01:43 AM

Bad etiquette IMO, but he has the right to do it. I would never chop with said player again.

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bernie · #3 07-12-2003, 09:32 AM

bad etiquette.

no selective chopping. you either chop or you dont. id jack his blind repeatedly after this.

b

Tommy Angelo · #4 07-12-2003, 10:41 AM

"Example two players have been chopping every time for the past 3 hours then the bb gets A-A and says he doesnt want to chop the hand.
Ok or bad etiquette?"

What he did was perfectly legal, and I doubt if he considered it to be bad etiquette.

The difference between rules, ethics, and etiquette, is nothing more than degress of subjectiveness, with etiquette having the most. It's quite possible, even likely, that he did nothing unetiqual in his mind, in which case, he did nothing unetiqual in my mind either.

Tommy

tang · #5 07-12-2003, 02:14 PM

I was playing at a local Indian casino one night, and I began to make small talk to an older hat-wearing gent on my left about legal hat sizes in cardrooms. Turns out he was a really nice guy and we chatted throughout the evening.

Anyway, every hand gets folded to me in the SB and I stare down at KK. I swallow and ask him if he wants to chop. He said, "sure partner" and shows me two black Aces.

Moral of the story: Be nice to Texans and good things happen.

Ray Zee · #6 07-12-2003, 04:30 PM

its a hand by hand decision unless you agreed before that you were chopping everytime. i have done it both ways and like the hand by hand after i look. each player can decide if they want to play or not. in rake games where they take alot out of the flop it may make sense to always chop. but i have frequently been able to chop with a good player on my left and play it out with the player on my right.

DanS · #7 07-12-2003, 06:20 PM

Tommy,
I call bullshit on you. Even though I've talked/forumed with you enough to have some semblance of an idea of your thought process here, I think you may be wrong here (though I think your response will manage to change my mind, or at least open my eyes).

The human experience, from belief in God to cheese preference is extremely subjective. I share some of the libertarian thinking conveyed by your post, and the "live and let live" modality attached to that. However, if some guy (let's use bad beetz as an example, just cuz [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ) walks past a blind homeless guy who's panhandling and steals the money from his cup, that's unethical. I don't give a damn if that guys hasn't established his own set of beliefs/mores/acceptable practices/whatever, that move is just [censored] up. You don't have to raise a stink about it if you don't want to, but you have to think it's bad practice, and you deserve a bunch of crappy karma if you do it.

Same with gambling/poker...if we reach an agreement sealed with a word or a handshake, and you break it, it's [censored] up and unethical. It doesn't mean I wish you a fiery death in the parking lot of AJ's, but I think I have to write to mentally slap you with an "unethical" tag. Now, whether the ethics of an action depend more on an individual's beliefs, a given society's beliefs, or the natural order of the universe is another matter entirely!

Peace,
Dan

Tommy Angelo · #8 07-12-2003, 09:24 PM

Hi Dan,

We have no disagreement. The initial poster did not say the two players had made an agreement to always chop. He said they had chopped twice. I agree that if an agreement is made, an agreement that BOTH playes are sure exists, then it would be a breech of general human cooperative treaty law to suddenly up and not chop, especially with a big hand.

Ray Zee as usual nailed it. I was going to come back in and say some of the stuff he did. There's a guy around here who plays a fair amount who does the hand-by-hand thing, and I very much look forward to those rare times when it comes into play. We have another guy around here who never chops with the player on his right, but will chop with the player on the left. He's open about it, fair, and shameless. At first it appauled me. Now I respect his guts, and strategy.

"if some guy ... walks past a blind homeless guy who's panhandling and steals the money from his cup, that's unethical."

Let me see if I got this staight. It's okay to rob the blinds, but not the blind? Okay, I got it. :-)

Tommy

DanS · #9 07-13-2003, 03:19 PM

Ok, Tommy, it turns out we have a consensus...and you, as usual, were right. Now I just need to consult with Mr. Sucker about the, uhh, proper bets to make with you on the golf course since you are *way* above reproach at the poker table. [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Dan

Mackenzie · #10 10-19-2003, 10:36 AM

So tell me something (and laugh at my stupidity). I'm playing 2-4 HE first time at the Taj. We've got 10 squeezed onto a stud table with me to the left of the dealer in the BB. With me obviously not paying enough attention and not really being able to see the SB, it's folded around to the SB who I hear nothing from and the dealer asks me if I want to check or raise. When I raise, all 9 people at the table gasp, moan, groan and rock back in their seats like I just kicked the pope in the nuts. I say, "Uh, what, were we supposed to chop the blinds?" Is it really so unethical to raise here? And is it on the BB to offer when the SB says nothing? And is this the typical reaction to expect?