Fold flop or call down?

Sean D · #1 11-26-2005, 04:11 AM

I hate these spots. Anyone think I should have raised the UTG bettor here? I figured I could raise a safe turn card, but when the passive BB check-raises both of us, its hard not to put them on an 8. Thoughts?

BB is 48/5/.9 UTG 62/0/.9

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB folds, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero???

jaxUp · #2 11-26-2005, 04:14 AM

Everybody thinks that you should have raised the flop because you will have the best hand almost every time here.

Vote4Pedro · #3 11-26-2005, 04:18 AM

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Everybody thinks that you should have raised the flop because you will have the best hand almost every time here.

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holla pwn'd

Sean D · #4 11-26-2005, 04:19 AM

Agreed. But the board is very uncoordinated, and its very unlikely that giving a free card will hurt. Any hand I am ahead of, I will likely be ahead of on the turn. I don't think I am losing value by waiting for the turn to raise. I am certainly open for discussion though.

Sean D · #5 11-26-2005, 04:21 AM

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Everybody thinks that you should have raised the flop because you will have the best hand almost every time here.

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holla pwn'd

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yeah, like totally. sweet post man. holla back yo

Vote4Pedro · #6 11-26-2005, 04:23 AM

holla

jaxUp · #7 11-26-2005, 04:26 AM

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Agreed. But the board is very uncoordinated, and its very unlikely that giving a free card will hurt. Any hand I am ahead of, I will likely be ahead of on the turn. I don't think I am losing value by waiting for the turn to raise. I am certainly open for discussion though.

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Hmm...I think this point has some merit. I definitely like it HU or 3 way. I'd really hate to give a free card to an A or have somebody hit a pp. However, the chance of that alone isn't really worth missing out on te extra SB(s). I guess the best reason for raising this flop is that people are more likely to call 2SB cold, than 2BB cold.

MrWookie47 · #8 11-26-2005, 04:50 AM

I'd like the call on the flop if the pot was just a 1-2 SB smaller. In this scenario, you offer a naked A 10:1 to call, which is not all that incorrect, depending on how we figure their implied odds. As this pot gets bigger, I'd rather raise it up. As you played it, I think you can call the raise and reevaluate on the turn. Your implied odds for filling up are pretty decent here, and the pot is big. Without a postflop read on BB, a lot of players like to slowplay trips to the turn, so this could reasonably be 99-TT, given his low PFR.

Weatherhead03 · #9 11-26-2005, 05:46 AM

Please dont ever tell me you fold this flop.

Sean D · #10 11-26-2005, 01:35 PM

Of course not. I'm taking this to showdown almost always, barring crazy action. But looking back at it, what could the passive UTG and BB have when they bet and check-raise each other. I think I am good here almost never. Even with that being said, I would probably always call down, just to be shown an 8, like usual.