Fold this boat?

[Roman]

2nd hand of a 215, no reads.

***** Hand History for Game 3091233099 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:17703338 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, November 25, 01:16:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 68864 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mthibaul ( $1000 )
Seat 3: Mauler34 ( $1000 )
Seat 4: acemanandy ( $1000 )
Seat 5: michaelsavva ( $1000 )
Seat 6: viking31 ( $1175 )
Seat 9: edags ( $850 )
Seat 10: MajorPolk ( $1000 )
Seat 2: vegasbound24 ( $1000 )
Seat 7: JadeJen ( $990 )
Seat 8: KILLER4000 ( $985 )
Trny:17703338 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to KILLER4000 [ 4d 4h ]
MajorPolk folds.
mthibaul could not respond in time.(disconnected)
mthibaul folds.
vegasbound24 calls [15].
Mauler34 folds.
michaelsavva: .
acemanandy raises [45].
michaelsavva folds.
viking31 folds.
JadeJen calls [45].
KILLER4000 calls [35].
edags calls [30].
vegasbound24 calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Kh, Jc ]
KILLER4000 checks.
>You have options at Table 67227 Table!.
edags checks.
vegasbound24 checks.
acemanandy bets [25].
JadeJen calls [25].
KILLER4000 calls [25].
edags folds.
vegasbound24 calls [25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
KILLER4000 checks.
vegasbound24 checks.
acemanandy bets [125].
JadeJen folds.
KILLER4000 calls [125].
vegasbound24 raises [250].
acemanandy is all-In [805]
KILLER4000 folds.
vegasbound24 is all-In [680]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]



Converter is down sry

[citanul]

i basically never fold any boat that involves playing both my hole cards.

(if that's silly in a variety of trivial boards and hands you can make up, throw those out. and clearly i'm not talking about like 44 on an AAA flop, i'm taking about when your cards match the board.)

c

[bluef0x]

No reads, no way. You're really that scared of KK/KJ?
Maybe you should move down to a limit that you're not afraid to lose a buy-in.

[Roman]

you dont put them both on monsters the way this played out?

[Roman]

thx for the analysis [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[citanul]

the problem is the propensity of players to throw away all their chips with either a good king or any old jack in this spot. hence, if you had a jack here or something, there would be interesting conversation i think, but i think that at the 200s there's certainly enough donks to give their chips away with much less than a boat in these spots to make folding boats here wrong.

[bluef0x]

Limps and 3xBB raise in first level, no.
If he raises 80-125 chips preflop maybe, but still I'm going broke. Too much of a chance they have AA,QQ,Kx,Jx.

Sometimes you have to take the risks in SNG's. You triple up here and you are on cruise control the rest of the way and into the money.

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you dont put them both on monsters the way this played out?

[/ QUOTE ][disclaimer]I don't play 215s[/disclaimer] But, couldn't these guys be on hands like AK or AJ?

[TheNoodleMan]

[ QUOTE ]
i basically never fold any boat that involves playing both my hole cards.

(if that's silly in a variety of trivial boards and hands you can make up, throw those out. and clearly i'm not talking about like 44 on an AAA flop, i'm taking about when your cards match the board.)

c

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That pretty well sums up my attitude too. If I'm beat, I'm beat.