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Old 06-22-2003, 06:42 PM
rkiray rkiray is offline
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Default My pokerstat data - Attack please

I have decided to post my pokerstat data on myself since Feb. 1. Basically I want people to tell me what I'm doing wrong and say how you would attack someone who plays like this.

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Showdowns/total hands: 8.95% (1,768/19,760)
Won without a showdown/total hands: 6.37% (1,259/19,760)

Total won/lost: +$1,222.00 (241.48 BB)
Average per hand: +$0.0618 (+0.012221 BB)
Total rake paid: $1,577.50

Limit games played (in big bets): $4.00 $6.00
No-Limit games played (in big blinds): $0.50
Pot-Limit games played (in big blinds):

Percent of actions that are bet or raise: 21.01% (7,273/34,609)

Out of a total of 34,609 player actions:
Fold: 48.30% Check: 13.50%
Call: 17.12% Call (all-in): 0.0116%
Bet: 14.09% Bet (all-in): 0.0000%
Raise: 6.92% Raise (all-in): 0.0000%
Timed out (forced fold): 0.0520%
Timed out (forced all-in): 0.0058%

Folded preflop/preflops played: 73.33% (14,490/19,760)

Did not fold preflop: 26.67% (5,270/19,760)
Voluntarily put money in preflop: 20.80% (4,111/19,760)
Went to showdown after seeing flop: 35.09% (1,768/5,038)

Bet/Raise preflop and won showdown: 49.59% (300/605)

Raise first in preflop/total hands: 3.87% (765/19,760)
Raise not first in pref./total hands (excl. "limp or call"-reraise): 2.87% (567/19,760)
"Limp or call"-reraise preflop/total hands: 0.01% (2/19,760)

"Steal" preflop/total "steal" opportunities: 34.22% (244/713)
Open-raise preflop/total open preflop opportunities: 19.00% (765/4,027)

After raising preflop, first action on the flop is:
fold check call bet raise no flop action
1.05% 4.42% 8.02% 64.62% 8.32% 13.57%

Fold to steal raise when small blind: 67% (95/142)
Fold to steal raise when big blind: 27% (34/127)
Fold to non-steal raise when small blind: 80% (647/805)
Fold to non-steal raise when big blind: 54% (535/995)

Folded on flop/flops played: 26.90% (1,354/5,033)

Bet when last to act and checked to on flop: 62.29% (1,249/2,005)
Bet/Raise flop and won showdown: 46.90% (598/1,275)



Folded on turn/turns played: 15.53% (513/3,304)

Bet when last to act and checked to on turn: 79.50% (927/1,166)
Bet/Raise turn and won showdown: 49.84% (614/1,232)

Folded on river/rivers played: 15.71% (376/2,393)

Showdowns won money: 45.31% (801/1,768)
Showdowns lost money: 54.24% (959/1,768)
Showdowns even money: 0.45% (8/1,768)

Bet when last to act and checked to on river: 64.38% (506/786)
Bet/Raise river and won showdown: 62.61% (628/1,003)

Folded to a river bet: 39.70% (376/947)


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Old 06-22-2003, 09:44 PM
Nottom Nottom is offline
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

Stats don't mean a whole lot, but I like this number.

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Total won/lost: +$1,222.00

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Sure Davidross makes that in a week [img]/forums/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img] , but its still better than most.
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Old 06-22-2003, 09:49 PM
Pirc Defense Pirc Defense is offline
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

My results are not as good as yours, so take this with a grain of salt, but your raise/call ratio is appreciably lower than your bet/check ratio. Maybe you're giving away too much information when you raise?
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Old 06-22-2003, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

The numbers arn't too bad, but there is still room for improvement. I play just under 70 hands per hour so that works out to a win rate of about .7 BB/hour. Many people claim substantially better on-line (including David) so I'm sure I can improve. I also believe there are at least three numbers in there that show weaknesses. I wanted to know what others thought.
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Old 06-22-2003, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

I'll have to think about that. Never really consider those numbers. I've mainly been looking at the 21% of actions that are bets or raises. This number is higher than most of the people I play against at PP (but not really out of line like a few people), so I thought I was doing ok in the aggresion area. But maybe I'm betting too much and not raising enough.
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Old 06-22-2003, 11:18 PM
rigoletto rigoletto is offline
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

21% is a sign of agressiveness (good), But you don't seem to be agressive enough preflop:

Raise first in preflop/total hands: 3.87% (765/19,760)

Raise not first in pref./total hands (excl. "limp or call"-reraise): 2.87% (567/19,760)

From your overall agressiveness I would expect this to be 8-9% combined. You might want to openraise more in late position with any playable hand (Axs, suited brodway and even big unsuited) and also make more isolation raises.

Just a thought!
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Old 06-22-2003, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

I think optimal voluntarily put money in preflop is in the 17-18% range. Angelina has said hers is 16%. You likely overdefend the big blind as well. Your showdown win % should be in the 55% range IMO.
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Old 06-22-2003, 11:56 PM
Pirc Defense Pirc Defense is offline
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

Hey, rkiray

The percentage of bets and raises as a combined total is not very helpful. For instance take a player with a bet-raise total of 100%. Average aggressiveness, no? (It would be at $.50-$1, anyway). But what if his bet/check ratio is 80%, and his raise/call ratio is 20%? When he raises you'll perhaps put him on some sort of bluff, when in fact he rarely raises.

Another reason why the combined bets and raises total is not helpful is that is can be misleading. For example, a very tight player may have a very low combined total, yet may be highly aggressive in those hands he plays in. It's just that he folds the majority of the time. The total would mislead you. It's the maniacs that see &gt;50% of the flops that have huge bets and raises totals, though the ratios they sport might show that they call and check quite often.

I see these kind of stats all the time. Some players bet the heck out of it, but hardly ever raise. The bet/check and raise/call ratio will help in telling you more precisely what is happening.

Just recently I have been paying more attention to this kind of stuff and it has been very helpful. Note to self: if I'm raised on the turn by a player with a raise/call ratio &lt;.10, and there are several people in the pot, fold unless I have a monster. They aren't kidding!

Hope this helps some. BTW, your raise/call ratio is not low compared to the majority of players I play against, but it is much smaller than your bet/check ratio. For comparison my b/c is .62 and my r/c is .54. They would be higher (and were at one point), but betting into calling stations does not a fortune build, I'm slowly realizing.
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Old 06-23-2003, 12:01 AM
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

Thanks, exactly the kind of feedback I"m looking for
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Old 06-23-2003, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: My pokerstat data - Attack please

WOW. Those are acutally the exact three numbers I thought needed improvement. Way too go Vehn. BTW, if you compare these stats to the files I sent you last fall you can see I'm improving.
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