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Old 11-07-2005, 09:53 PM
joker122 joker122 is offline
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Default i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

utg is 46/12/1.7 over 110 hands.
mp is 45/7/.9 over 353 hands, but he's more aggressive than those numbers suggest - he will donk into a multiway pot with crap, checkraise a decent draw, and basically just all around loose and bad. he will also always bet when checked to.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB
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Old 11-07-2005, 09:57 PM
Danenania Danenania is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

Bet the turn (3-bet if PFR raises) and bet the river is my approach. Or you could checkraise turn if PFR really will always bet. I don't get check/calling though...
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:01 PM
ALL1N ALL1N is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

I don't get it. I'd probably bet out on the turn, or at least CR.
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

I bet the turn and c/c the river because he will always bet it for me.

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Bet the turn (3-bet if PFR raises) and bet the river is my approach. Or you could checkraise turn if PFR really will always bet. I don't get check/calling though...

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Do you fold to a river raise from MP? What about UTG?
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:07 PM
Danenania Danenania is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

I'd fold to one from MP but call UTG--he sounds pretty laggy from joker's descriptions and I'm not thinking an 8 is too likely a holding for him here.
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Old 11-07-2005, 11:41 PM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

whoa....how do you not checkraise the turn??!?!? Personally I bet the turn hoping to 3bet. A lot of guys don't follow through with a big ace on the turn and having it get checked through would suck.
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Old 11-07-2005, 11:57 PM
joker122 joker122 is offline
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whoa....how do you not checkraise the turn??!?!? Personally I bet the turn hoping to 3bet.

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i thought my hand would be [censored] by a ton of river cards.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:07 AM
LoaferGee12 LoaferGee12 is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

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whoa....how do you not checkraise the turn??!?!? Personally I bet the turn hoping to 3bet.

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i thought my hand would be [censored] by a ton of river cards.

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This is giving the villlains a lot of credit:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42 games 0.005 secs 8,400 games/sec

Board: 7c 9s 6d 4s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 52.3810 % 52.38% 00.00% { 6c4c }
Hand 2: 09.5238 % 09.52% 00.00% { KdKh }
Hand 3: 38.0952 % 38.10% 00.00% { Ts7s }
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:11 AM
DarkKnight DarkKnight is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

Ok [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] am I the only one who check folds the flop?

What turn cards do we really like here??? I only count the 2 sixes and the BDF as good outs. The four often makes a better 2 pair.

The pot is big but I just don't see how peeling one here is doing us any good? Sorry for the hijack - someone pls enlighten me.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:21 AM
livinitup0 livinitup0 is offline
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Default Re: i\'m not sure i have a defense for this one

I dont see the benefit of defending with 64s. I'd need something a little better. Plus if you're that sure he's that bad and playing any two then why arent we raising.
I dont like raising or calling here but if you're going to call you might as well raise to gain some FE.

I just re-read it again and I still cant see defending with this. Is this normal play for everyone?
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