Who Call and who folds? QQ vs. all-in push pre-flop.

ericlambi · #1 11-07-2005, 07:52 PM

This is my 3rd hand at the table, $100NL -- full ring. I get QQ in the CO. Early raiser to $4, I pop is to $14, Button pushes for $86 more. Call or fold?

Morrek · #2 11-07-2005, 08:02 PM

Without stats/reads I fold

4_2_it · #3 11-07-2005, 08:02 PM

If early raiser calls, easy fold; otherwise the best you can hope for is AK or JJ. I will fold without a strong read here and move on.

TienXia · #4 11-07-2005, 08:04 PM

I fold this, i Know theres only two hands that you have to be really worried about, but how often is the button gonna be donkish enough to push with JJ or TT? Even if your up against AK your not a huge favorite. If he is overplaying a lower PP youll find out soon enough in the session and you can use this to break him later in the session. Chances are your either way behind or a slight favorite. You can wait for a better spot to get your money in.

Nate

Phoenix1010 · #5 11-07-2005, 08:10 PM

Calling is a mistake... that I often make. Be surprised how many times I've seen JJ/AK/44/63/etc.

FreakDaddy · #6 11-07-2005, 08:16 PM

Without a read I fold. Here's a somewhat similar situation from a hand I had last night.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($30.65)
UTG+1 ($19.45)
UTG+2 ($3.87)
MP1 ($3.05)
MP2 ($23.40)
MP3 ($36.73)
CO ($41.14)
Button ($36.35)
Hero ($22.50)
BB ($6.77)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, MP1 calls $3.05 (All-In), 1 fold, MP3 raises to $10, 4 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($13.90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($13.90) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($13.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $13.90

Results in white below: 
MP1 has Jd Js (two pair, jacks and twos).
MP3 has Ah Kc (one pair, twos).
Outcome: MP3 wins $7.30. MP1 wins $6.60.

ericlambi · #7 11-07-2005, 08:47 PM

Results in white:

I called quickly, but instantly knew that I had made a mistake. I was persuaded to call mostly because of how quickly the villain moved in. There was no thought on his part about raising a smaller amount or anything like that. I don't know why this affected my decision, but I took it as a tell that he was weaker than a hand that was hoping for action. He had KK . . . oh well. Always good to start a session down a whole buy-in.