PS 2/4 AK

Scotch78 · #1 11-03-2005, 10:32 PM

MP2 is 21/7/1.5 over about 175 hands with a WSD of just 20%. The SB is 51/0/<1 with a 40% WSD over about 120 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Scott

hobbsmann · #2 11-03-2005, 10:36 PM

raise the flop.
since you didn't, raise the turn.
the river call is fine.

Nick C · #3 11-03-2005, 10:45 PM

I want to raise the turn in this hand, although I admit that getting 3-bet wouldn't be much fun.

On the river, I would call. I think it's a bad sign that Villain is betting into a PFR on that board, but I do still think he could have a worse two pair. I think he'll frequently have a jack though (QJ and JT are two possibilities), so I don't want to raise.

lighterjobs · #4 11-03-2005, 10:52 PM

what makes you think mp2 has the Jack?

unless he has KJ i think i would raise the river.

Scotch78 · #5 11-03-2005, 11:08 PM

On the turn/river my concern is not whether I'm ahead of MP2, but whether he will call a raise (especially) on the river if he is beat.

Scott

McGahee · #6 11-03-2005, 11:27 PM

Just raise somewhere. Anywhere. Please.

El Tigre · #7 11-03-2005, 11:31 PM

One thing about raising is, are you folding to a 3-bet. This is a major factor in whether to raise. I think it will be tough to fold to a 3-bet as there is a bunch of money in the pot. On the other hand a 3-bet means you are almost surely beat. I think that the ideal line is raise/fold??????? i really dont know. I would probably pussy out and call

A_C_Slater · #8 11-03-2005, 11:56 PM

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Why? To knock out the call station?To get 3bet by the TAG? Let SB stay in. His overcalls will make up for a missed called raise if we're ahead of the TAG on the turn.

McGahee · #9 11-04-2005, 12:32 AM

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Why? To knock out the call station?To get 3bet by the TAG? Let SB stay in. His overcalls will make up for a missed called raise if we're ahead of the TAG on the turn.

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If he was actually a "tag" he wouldn't open limp PF from MP with hands that beat us on this board. Given his 20% WSD I don't see him bet/folding very often either.
A calling station will call 2 cold with a pair + gutshot (ie KT) usually.
Sorry if I sounded like a prick. I'm drunk & on tilt.

hobbsmann · #10 11-04-2005, 01:32 AM

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One thing about raising is, are you folding to a 3-bet. This is a major factor in whether to raise. I think it will be tough to fold to a 3-bet as there is a bunch of money in the pot. On the other hand a 3-bet means you are almost surely beat. I think that the ideal line is raise/fold??????? i really dont know. I would probably pussy out and call

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folding to a 3-bet sucks as we still have a gutshot and possible other two/trips cards to improve our hand. The real question is IF 3-bet do we fold the river for one bet UI. Given MP1's stats folding to a bet on the river is probably best, but I would find it difficult in a large pot to fold TPTK.