Play A Hand With The Triple Threat (River)

grandgnu · #1 10-31-2005, 05:47 PM

POKERSTARS $10+1 MTT
641 PLAYERS (TOP 63 PAY)

BLINDS: (10/20)

BUTTON Seat 1: anonymous1 (1500 in chips)
SMALL BLIND Seat 2: anonymous2(1500 in chips)
BIG BLIND Seat 3: anonymous3(1500 in chips)
Seat 4: anonymous4(1500 in chips)
Seat 5: VILLIAN(1500 in chips)
Seat 7: anonymous5(1500 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO(1500 in chips)

anonymous2: posts small blind 10
anonymous3: posts big blind 20
pot 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to HERO [Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]

anonymous4: folds

VILLIAN: calls 20

anonymous5: folds

HERO: raises 60 to 80

VILLIAN: calls 60

POT=210 CHIPS

FLOP: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian checks

HERO: Bets 120

(I will cease to provide reasoning until the "results and final comments" post)

VILLIAN: Calls 120

POT=450

Turn is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

VILLIAN: Checks

HERO: Bets 200

VILLIAN: check-raises an additional 340 to 540 (leaving himself 760 behind)

POT= 1,190

HERO: calls 340

POT= 1,530

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

VILLIAN: Pushes all-in for 760

HERO: ???

Do you call or fold, and why?

KneeCo · #2 10-31-2005, 05:55 PM

Fold.

You lost this hand when you didn't bet enough on the flop (I'm not saying he would have folded, but you can have made him make a mistake). The only thing you can beat now is a bluff.

EverettKings · #3 10-31-2005, 05:59 PM

Now I can find a fold. Smells exactly like diamonds hoping for the ace to call. In any case, what the hell could he be pushing here that you beat? If he has two pair or a set or anything he's not getting nuts here. If he was bluffing I doubt he thinks he can get you to fold now. Yuck. Fold and throw up for putting yourself in this spot.

Rduke55 · #4 10-31-2005, 06:13 PM

Well now I fold. What are we ahead of here?

Brad F. · #5 10-31-2005, 06:23 PM

Do you really beat his hand 1/3 of the time here? If so it's a call, but I don't see that at all. Fold here, live to see another day. You can come back easily.

Brad

mlagoo · #6 10-31-2005, 06:34 PM

just fold yo

dont think we see KQ- more than a 3rd of the time here.

edit: the only caveat here for me is that if i've just started a tournament, i sometimes multiply my donk factor by a large amount, and also have the mentality that if i go out, i can just fire up another one, and if i double up, im in great shape. so that mentality may induce a call. and if you dont look at your MTTs in that way (not sure its particularly healthy anyway), then this looks like a sure fold.

Toro · #7 10-31-2005, 06:36 PM

looks like a clear fold but I'm betting you called and picked off the bluff

Brad F. · #8 10-31-2005, 06:41 PM

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looks like a clear fold but I'm betting you called and picked off the bluff

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If so I'm gonna lose respect for the grandnu.

Brad

#9 10-31-2005, 07:15 PM

This is the simplest call in the world. You have already committed half your chips, and should have gotten them in earlier. If you got beat to the flush, protect your hand better next time, if you won it, good for you.

Now way I lay this down now though, even if it was played weak. He probably has the flush, but he could be bluffing you since you showed alot of weakness throughout this hand. Call call call.

I wouldn't have put myself in this spot though, fyi, but I will call this even if it seems I am beat, just because I only have to be right 1/4 times to break even.

ACK, forgot that put a straight on the board too, fold it and cry that you lost half your stack.

grandgnu · #10 10-31-2005, 07:19 PM

Here it is! Results & Comments