Hold'em or Fold'em

LaramieJC · #1 10-31-2005, 03:13 AM

Here are three hands from my session tonight. All comments welcome.

HAND 1 : MP3 is 89/17/.65 after 200 hands, Button is 28/15/1.8 after 80

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls, Button raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero?

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

HAND 2 : MP3 is 26/3/2 after 55 hands BB is 22/3/.8 after 90

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

HAND 3 : Villain is 33/8/1 after about 60 hands
(note on preflop raise, I had 4 players at the table who have played 350+ hands with me and threw in this raise to not be so predictable)

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets. Hero?

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Thanks in advance,

JC

meep_42 · #2 10-31-2005, 03:18 AM

1. Fold to the flop cap. Also, call the first flop bet, you cannot protect on the flop.

2. Looks fine to me.

3. Call, fine. But you lose this very close to the 83%ish threshhold.

-d

AllIn3High · #3 10-31-2005, 03:31 AM

Hand 1, as already noted fold when it's 2bets back to you.

Hand 2, I don't like raising KQo out of the SB here, and I'd just bet the flop don't know why you went for a c/r after raising preflop. As played I call down as well.

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HAND 3 : Villain is 33/8/1 after about 60 hands
(note on preflop raise, I had 4 players at the table who have played 350+ hands with me and threw in this raise to not be so predictable)

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No need to do that at 2/4, no one is paying attention either because they don't care or because they're playing a gazillion tables. Also 350 hands is nothing, and there are lots of 2/4 tables, chances are you'll never see them at your table again.

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River: (5.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets. Hero?

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I would have bet/fold'ed this river. Since you checked I think you have to fold - but it's close. Willing to listen to what others think.

#4 10-31-2005, 03:42 PM

1. I originally thought a fold on the turn was in order, but I think a fold on the flop is even better.
2. Only raise this preflop if suited. KQo is only a slightly-better-than-average holding. I also think that the flop c/r is too creative here. The flop is good but not great for your hand and you can't expect a specific player to bet for you. This is a good time to drag some extra bets into the pot by betting, as you miss a lot of value if the flop gets checked through, and it may even cost you the pot.
3. If you bet the river here, you have to fold to a raise. If you check, you have to do so with the intention of folding, as this scary board will not encourage many bluffs from worse hands.

LaramieJC · #5 10-31-2005, 03:29 PM

Bump for any more opinions. Also in the last hand villain auto bet ie as soon as I hit check his bet was in the pot. I know not to trust timing tells but does this affect anyone's play?