'da boyz

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<font color="blue">I'm 3-tabling as usual. Pretty straightforward play (nothing unusual). Please comment on all streets.</font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($19)
MP1 ($63.35)
MP2 ($26.50)
Hero ($55.95)
Button ($19.60)
SB ($25.90)
BB ($16.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $6.5<font color="blue">(he 3-bet so quickly that I put him on AA, maybe KK)</font>, Hero calls $3.50<font color="blue">(is this call okay? I have position on MP2 and I wanted to see the flop)</font>, Button calls $3.50.

Flop: ($20.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button bets $6, MP2 raises to $20 all-in</font>,
<font color="blue">I'm 18% against AA or KK, so it's -EV if I call. I'm not worried about the button. I put him on a mid PP, he just called preflop, and he's short-stacked.</font>
Hero?...

[4_2_it]

I don't like your pre-flop call. I would re-raise to get it heads up. I try to get it in before the flop and if he has AA, that's how it goes.

The way you played it, QQ and maybe JJ takes that line.

[subzero]

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I don't like your pre-flop call. I would re-raise to get it heads up. I try to get it in before the flop and if he has AA, that's how it goes.

The way you played it, QQ and maybe JJ takes that line.

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I normally try to get all-in preflop with KK, but this time was different. By his betting tempo and the 3-bet, I was 95% sure he had AA. And if I did see AA in his hand preflop, I wouldn't re-raise it to get all-in heads up. My instincts told me to go away from ram-and-jam and just call preflop. My plan was to see a flop and hopefully spike a King or an unlikely draw. Another line would be to call preflop and push any non-ace flop.

[gulebjorn]

Speed of the raise alone is not enough to put him on AA IMO. Certainly not with 95% accuracy. It's a stupid minraise. I push after the 3-bet preflop.

[subzero]

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Speed of the raise alone is not enough to put him on AA IMO. Certainly not with 95% accuracy. It's a stupid minraise. I push after the 3-bet preflop.

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What's your range of hands for villain?

[gulebjorn]

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Speed of the raise alone is not enough to put him on AA IMO. Certainly not with 95% accuracy. It's a stupid minraise. I push after the 3-bet preflop.

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What's your range of hands for villain?

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Without a read? Preflop its: 88-AA, AK, AQ, AJs.

On the flop, it's pretty much the same, but the unpaired high cards would have to be hearts. Drop 88 maybe.

[subzero]

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Without a read? Preflop its: 88-AA, AK, AQ, AJs.

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Yes, it was a donk min-raise. But since it was 3-bet, I felt that his range was more narrow than this.

[subzero]

Hero folds. Villain shows AA. I'm not trying to make Hellmuth-like reads here, but this was one of those times where instincts took over... or I just got lucky. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Thanks.

[Escotme]

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By his betting tempo and the 3-bet, I was 95% sure he had AA.

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You really go on betting speed to determine holdings??

No reads? Since you're 3-tabling, I think it's next to impossible to get them unless you have prior notes.

Your image? What are your stats/how are you perceived at the table?

This is why I stopped multitabling - there are too many situations that are read-dependent.

My take on this one? If MP2 has AA, he's playing it too loosely, basically inviting more than one player to see a flop. (I know - for QQ or JJ to play this way is even more foolish.) Why didn't you bet strong on the flop?

I think MP2's push is an over/midpair (QQ, JJ, TT or even 88)protecting against flush/further cards and he thinks he can scare button away/has him beat. His c on the flop was because he was scared of you who had position, the stack and had shown preflop aggression. A bet by you would probably have taken it down.

I think you're good against MP2, which BTW is also fairly short stacked. Button could have the trips or the boat and intentionally bet weak to get a call/raise.

Other than that, I agree with previous poster - especially if you're multitabling - get it all in preflop with KK.

And of course there's always the caveat: speed-raisors could have AA... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[swolfe]

stats? it's AA, KK, or QQ. i think preflop is fine and folding the flop is fine too. no big deal.