Flopped Diamonds

[JasonM]

6/12 Canterbury

I'm in the big blind with 3 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] all call to MP who raises (he has only been raising preflop with big pocket pairs), all call to small blind who folds, I think for a second and call everyone else calls. Eight to see the flop.

Flop comes J [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]
I immediately bet out to try to clear the field and see where I am at. Nice older lady next to me calls, TA player next to her raises, MP 3-bets, folded to me. Not exactly what I had hoped would happen but I think for about 30 seconds and decide to call. Older lady calls and TA calls. Four to see the turn.

Turn: (J [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] )7 [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to MP and he bets, everyone calls. Four to see the river.

River: (J [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] )K [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]

Once again checked to MP and he bets, I call, older lady folds, TA calls.

How did I play, and what did everyone have?

Results to come.

[Homer]

I would have definitely put in more action on the turn. There tends to be a lot of posturing on the flop round. People will raise with all sorts of hands. TA could be raising with top-pair decent kicker, a bare Ace of diamonds, etc. The preflop raisor could be three-betting with the same hands (or an overpair). Also, no one is going to put you on a made flush when you bet out on the flop.

-- Homer

[mauisupaman]

Jason,
On the flop I can't see the MP player 3 betting the TA player with AKd and the flopped nut, so perhaps he did raise pre-flop with a big pair which included the Ad or Kd. Given that line of thinking I wouldn't lay down a small made flush. And I can't see the TA player staying in with all the flop action unless he had a good draw like T9 and was trying to charge single diamonds for drawing as well and attempting to fold the MP player.

On the turn, if the TA player was holding T9 I'd think he'd play it more aggressively or perhaps with you and the old lady still in he was considering the possibility that you or the old lady had a small made flush (since you both called two cold on the flop) and was intending to call down to the river if he hit. The MP is still betting strong, so perhaps he does have that big pair with a draw to the nut or second nut flush. He may have also flopped a set of J's.

On the river MP leads again so he must have AdA, KdK, or JJ. How far off am I?
A hui hou,
Adam

[ElSapo]

Cap the turn. Bet the River. If they come out raising on the river also, I'd just call.

[Barry]

With your baby flush, you need to charge the lone big [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] the max to draw to their flush and persuade the 6[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] through J[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] to fold. I would be tempted to cap the flop. However, calling the 3-bet and leading or checkraising the turn is an OK play too. I wouldn't get too worried unless there is a turn raise put in by TA or MP.

NOL probably has the A[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] or K[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] ; TA might have a J w/ a decent kicker and MP might have a set of J's or then again he might have 2 big [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]'s. At any rate, I'm going to showdown here unless it's raised and reraised before it gets back to me.

[hutz]

With a vulnerable baby flush, I would have popped it again on the flop and led the non-diamond turn. I imagine you missed some bets on the turn by just calling along.

[Tyler Durden]

I'd cap the flop, I think. Or a checkraise may have been prudent.

Did MP have AA with Ace[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]?

[bunky9590]

Nice Old Lady = Q <img src="/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif" alt="" /> J <img src="/forums/images/icons/spade.gif" alt="" />
TA player = K <img src="/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif" alt="" /> J <img src="/forums/images/icons/club.gif" alt="" />
MP= A <img src="/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif" alt="" /> A <img src="/forums/images/icons/spade.gif" alt="" />

I would have smooth called the flop and checkraised the turn. But then again my check raise might have gotten snapped off because I'm not calling two bets cold from the SB without a made hand or a MONSTER draw with pot odds. Nonetheless, I would have check raised the turn and bet the river when no diamond hit.

My main question is why if he only raises with big pocket pairs would you stay with 3 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] ?

Am I missing that? Small suited connectors, out of position?
I dunno, I'm throwing them away for the 1/2 of a small bet.

[SoBeDude]

I'm with Barry. I agree that more aggressiveness is critical here.

Someone who flopped two pair would be that aggressive on that flop. Or perhaps someone with the A or K of diamonds. Or someone with a set.

You may very well have the best hand here. I'd either cap the flop and bet out on the turn, or call and Check-Raise the turn.

Only if I get reraised do I slow down, but I still want to get to the showdown, unless a 4th diamond hits or its 2 more bets back to me. Then its an easy fold.

-Scott

[bunky9590]

Nice Lady = Q [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img]
TA= K [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]
MP= A [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]