Bottom set, LOTS of action, when do you fear a better set?

ReadyEddie · #1 10-27-2005, 09:48 AM

If there any slowing down at all here?
What do you guys think of the flop cap?

Reads:
SB- complete unknown, he waited for the BB and this is is second hand.
BB - unknown.
UTG - 35/10 typical 2/4 player.
MP3 - fish, 66/20, has shown garbage and doesnt fold much.

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (23.00 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP3 raises, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 31.00 BB.

BigEndian · #2 10-27-2005, 10:09 AM

Looks perfect to me. If it was set over set, be happy you weren't sitting at a 5/10 NL table with over $5k in front of you. It happens.

- Jim

#3 10-27-2005, 10:12 AM

Looking at this board....if there was a highe set...

I would have to tip my hat to the man who took all my money. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Phily000

@bsolute_luck · #4 10-27-2005, 10:14 AM

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where do you fear the better set

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on the turn when fishy-fishy cold calls a cap and then 3-bets the turn. sucks UTG doofus boy donked the river and made you pay almost the max possible, but i'd probably laugh out loud in disbelief as i played it the way you did. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

pokernicus · #5 10-27-2005, 10:43 AM

It's hard not to lose a lot of money with set-over-set. As someone else said, be glad you weren't at a big no-limit table.

In your case, you have four people in this pot who all seem to be representing a really good hand (given the way the betting has gone). The real question is whether there are three (non-set) hands besides yours that explain the betting. It seems that Ace with a good kicker, A8, etc., explain the behavior. If the Ace had been a 9 instead, then the same betting might be better explained by a set.

SeaEagle · #6 10-27-2005, 10:51 AM

I think I might have tried to get another bet in somewhere, probably by capping the turn.

Assuming you have enough hands on MP3 for his stats to be somewhat accurate, then you're not likely facing a set from him since 20PFRers don't limp with 88 or TT. UTG worries me more.

Keep in mind, even if you're up against a bigger set 2/3 of the time, your raises are still break even EV-wise.

ReadyEddie · #7 10-27-2005, 11:54 AM

Ok seems good then.

I love 2/4
Results in white:

SB shows AK
BB shows A4
MP3 shows AT
MHIG!!

#8 10-27-2005, 12:32 PM

Cap the turn, and be aggressive on the river (but dont cap).

#9 10-27-2005, 01:25 PM

I think you are missing value by not capping turn, if someone has an over-set oh well thats the way it goes baby. The action pre-flop increases the chance that your set is good.

#10 10-27-2005, 01:32 PM

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Cap the turn, and be aggressive on the river (but dont cap).

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I say hero should cap the river unless utg becomes aggressive especially 3 handed with utg trapped inbetween hero and the mad man