2 quick hands where i'm in the blin, am i overplaying? (changed title)

AllIn3High · #1 10-24-2005, 03:41 AM

First hand at table, no reads.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG folds, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Here villain is 28/11/2 after 18 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $10.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP2 folds, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls $17 (All-In).

Final Pot: 13.10 BB

Do I find a fold anywhere in either hand, muck preflop, general comments appriciated.

mack848 · #2 10-24-2005, 03:49 AM

I don't play this high, but given the level of aggression I have heard of in this game, I like both hands. I would have played them the same.

thesharpie · #3 10-24-2005, 03:51 AM

These aren't really blind defense.

First hand I lead the flop. Second hand I play the same.

I don't see how you can get away from the first one against an unknown since they could be doing this with some draw, a worse/chopping king, or even worse.

AllIn3High · #4 10-24-2005, 03:53 AM

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These aren't really blind defense.

First hand I lead the flop. Second hand I play the same.

I don't see how you can get away from the first one against an unknown since they could be doing this with some draw, a worse/chopping king, or even worse.

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Ok changed the title [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

But, why would you lead in hand 1, i want to thin the field and win now, not build a pot?

thesharpie · #5 10-24-2005, 04:02 AM

I don't want it getting checked through, and SB could call his bet anyway so we'd still be bloating. I don't really care about knocking UTG out, he usually doesn't have a 6 or a 3 and if he has a worse king he has 3 outs, I welcome him to call with junk. SB is more likely to have a 5 outer and we can protect against that if button raises.

Really I'm not that worried about protecting, and since there's no guarantee whether we can protect either way I prefer betting so it doesn't get checked through.

hobbsmann · #6 10-24-2005, 04:08 AM

I like both hands.

In hand one I think check raising the flop is better than leading as getting hands with 5 outs to fold is a good thing.

AllIn3High · #7 10-24-2005, 04:11 AM

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I don't want it getting checked through, and SB could call his bet anyway so we'd still be bloating. I don't really care about knocking UTG out, he usually doesn't have a 6 or a 3 and if he has a worse king he has 3 outs, I welcome him to call with junk. SB is more likely to have a 5 outer and we can protect against that if button raises.

Really I'm not that worried about protecting, and since there's no guarantee whether we can protect either way I prefer betting so it doesn't get checked through.

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This flop gets check through maybe 2% of the time.
I usually prefer donking the flop with hands where i want to build a pot (or have some kind of draw where i hope to win the pot on the turn.

If he raises the flop we're calling down ofcourse, but what if he calls flop and raises turn? Calldown? I've come to prefer giving action with semi-good hands on the flop so I save 1SB against agressive players.

#8 10-24-2005, 04:16 AM

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UTG (poster) checks,

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Nice table selection.

shant · #9 10-24-2005, 04:17 AM

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but given the level of aggression I have heard of in this game

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You must be thinking 10/20 6-max.

AllIn3High · #10 10-24-2005, 04:23 AM

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UTG (poster) checks,

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Nice table selection.

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Actually most of my tables were fairly horrible. 20-26 VPIP. But i ran [censored] good and played well (atleast IMHO). I've been meaning to ask, is this normal for a sunday evening? Or should i exercise better table selection? I think I have an edge over most of the players postflop, but I'd prefer to just have a few 44 VP$IP guys i can pwn.