Hand from MTT last night

From last nights $30+3 tourney on Party. Villain is P_Hellmuth and is a LAP. Hows my line on all streets? Ill put results in a few. I appreciate your help.


***** Hand History for Game 2906535562 *****
800/1600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16739650) - Thu Oct 20 20:57:04 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(491751) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: chrischip1 (4965)
Seat 2: TONYKLUTTZ (8250)
Seat 3: p_hellmuth (14070)
Seat 4: brettholiday (6790)
Seat 5: CoachUSC (13494)
Seat 6: HERO (18440)
Seat 7: Rontti (12575)
Seat 8: apkilla7 (28595)
Seat 9: redaces10 (15770)
Seat 10: Trucker_tavs (9490)
CoachUSC posts small blind (400)
HERO posts big blind (800)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ As, 5d ]
Rontti folds.
apkilla7 folds.
redaces10 folds.
Trucker_tavs folds.
chrischip1 folds.
TONYKLUTTZ folds.
p_hellmuth raises (2000) to 2000
brettholiday folds.
CoachUSC folds.
HERO calls (1200)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9s, 3s ]
HERO bets (3800)
p_hellmuth calls (3800)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
HERO bets (3500)
p_hellmuth raises (8270) to 8270
p_hellmuth is all-In.
HERO calls (4770)
** Dealing River ** : [ Js ]
Creating Main Pot with $28540 with p_hellmuth

[zambonidrivr]

fold preflop. fairly straight foward

Ok. Fold preflop. I figured id hear this. This guy was loose aggressive and would attempt to steal from this position with hands like kq, kj, k10, qj, q10 and low pp's. His raise before the flop indicated to me it was a possible steal. Lets say you didnt fold preflop, would you raise or call? How about the other streets?

[rockythecat99]

If you think he is stealing why not push???? You are going to miss this flop a lot and have to play oop. Why are you betting again on the turn and calling his push. Don't you know he knows that you will call him just due to pot odds. So you are beat here 99% of the time.

oh yeah one last thing. fold preflop [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[HammerinHank]

You bet too much on the flop. If he has nothing a bet of half the pot would take it down. When he calls your flop bet I’m done with the hand.

Either raise or fold pf. You have no clue where you are on this flop, and that is scary. If he had been stealing a lot, this is a good hand for a resteal. After he calls my flop bet, then just c/f the rest of the way. No sense risking your tournament on middle pair when you still have 20BB left.

[Dave D]

[ QUOTE ]
From last nights $30+3 tourney on Party. Villain is P_Hellmuth and is a LAP. Hows my line on all streets? Ill put results in a few. I appreciate your help.


***** Hand History for Game 2906535562 *****
800/1600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16739650) - Thu Oct 20 20:57:04 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(491751) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: chrischip1 (4965)
Seat 2: TONYKLUTTZ (8250)
Seat 3: p_hellmuth (14070)
Seat 4: brettholiday (6790)
Seat 5: CoachUSC (13494)
Seat 6: HERO (18440)
Seat 7: Rontti (12575)
Seat 8: apkilla7 (28595)
Seat 9: redaces10 (15770)
Seat 10: Trucker_tavs (9490)
CoachUSC posts small blind (400)
HERO posts big blind (800)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ As, 5d ]
Rontti folds.
apkilla7 folds.
redaces10 folds.
Trucker_tavs folds.
chrischip1 folds.
TONYKLUTTZ folds.
p_hellmuth raises (2000) to 2000
brettholiday folds.
CoachUSC folds.
HERO calls (1200)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9s, 3s ]
HERO bets (3800)
p_hellmuth calls (3800)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
HERO bets (3500)
p_hellmuth raises (8270) to 8270
p_hellmuth is all-In.
HERO calls (4770)
** Dealing River ** : [ Js ]
Creating Main Pot with $28540 with p_hellmuth

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have played this the exact opposite way that you did, namely fold PF. Just because he's a late open position raiser, doesn't mean he's raising with junk. It'd be nice to know if you're in the money (I think you are), and at this stage after the bubble I usually tighten up. A5 is a crappy hand, especially to call a raise with late game. Even if you think he's stealing, you can't call him with junk. Wait for a better hand to call him with.

Flop- I think your bet is a little strong. The pot is what, 4400? Betting 3800 seems a little suspicious, I bet 3k there or so at most. The purpose of this bet is to see where you stand, and 3k accomplishes the same thing as 3800, and doesn't look sketchy.

Personally, I think a check would have been good too, to see his reaction and evaluate things from there. You really don't have a strong hand, at all, and if he bets something respectable like 2/3 the pot I'd just fold and save myself the chips.

His call here is *very* suspicious, especially given your LAG read.

I check/fold the turn now that he called me on the flop. Unless his b et is really small or something.


I think overall this hand is a trainwreck. You probably just went broke and blew 20 bbs with a weak holding, getting into a big pot with a weak hand.

I posted this because i knew i blew this hand up and played it wrong on all streets. I had played fairly well before this and fairly well after this, just had a brain lapse or something. Wanted to see what everyone else thought to make sure i dont make it again.

MDoranD


** Summary **
Main Pot: 28540 |
Board: [ 5c 9s 3s Qc Js ]
chrischip1 balance 4965, didn't bet (folded)
TONYKLUTTZ balance 8250, didn't bet (folded)
p_hellmuth balance 0, lost 14070 [ 4h 4c ] [ a pair of fours -- Qc,Js,9s,4h,4c ]
brettholiday balance 6790, didn't bet (folded)
CoachUSC balance 13094, lost 400 (folded)
HERO balance 32910, bet 14070, collected 28540, net +14470 [ As 5d ] [ a pair of fives -- As,Qc,Js,5d,5c ]
Rontti balance 12575, didn't bet (folded)
apkilla7 balance 28595, didn't bet (folded)
redaces10 balance 15770, didn't bet (folded)
Trucker_tavs balance 9490, didn't bet (folded)

[rockythecat99]

wow villain blows. You luckbox. lol.