Not using a HUD

[IGMorton]

Does anyone here play at 5/10 and above without a HU display?

I have not used one at all at 5/10. I've been playing at a couple small sites which are not supported by PT. At these sites there are frequently only a few tables of 6 max at 5/10 or 10/20. Obviously, i cannot excercise good game selection. But, knowing the regulars well allows me to play optimally for the table conditions when a couple fish sit down at the table.

Because there are only a few running games, i'm able to see if someone is multitabling or not at that site. If someone isn't multitabling and i see his actions are usually very quick at the table, i supplement my read with the miniscule differences in time delay of his actions. I think it tells me a lot that i might miss if i were paying attention to his stats.

Granted, this assumes he isn't playing on other sites as well. Maybee it's only applicable at the small sites with primarilly casino player traffic (non-pros who wouldn't be multitabling across many sites).

thoughts?

[kahntrutahn]

I refuse to work at those places for that reason... I'm just too dependant on stat reads when playing 6 or more tables.

However, I think you have a good approach towards what you are doing/where you are playing, so rock on [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Emperor]

Many posters have said that one of the best ways to improve your HUSH game is to turn off the HUD, and take excellent notes.

[JohnnyHumongous]

I don't...

I play 4 tables of 10/20 or 20/40.

[IGMorton]

lately i've been playing only 2 tables. if the 10/20 game running at my favorite site has unknown short stacked players, or not many of the regulars, i'll play it and 1 other 5/10 table.

i'm primarilly interested in improving my reads right now so i can learn 10/20. The small sites might be better for this, where i can learn how those regular players think.

[IGMorton]

I took some advice from Arkady a while back in a noobish post i made about PT stats use. He recommended minimal usage of PT stats.

[kahntrutahn]

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lately i've been playing only 2 tables.... i'm primarilly interested in improving my reads right now so i can learn 10/20. The small sites might be better for this, where i can learn how those regular players think.

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Again, I think you have a good plan here... even moreso if you are only 2 tabling. It will allow you the time to focus intently on your opposition... I am guilty of not doing this often enough. I sit down to make money, I know broadly what my capability is, I'm over 1 std dev in the winners circle and I can pull that off 6 tabling, so since I'm money oriented right now, I do what works... I think when the bankroll is huge, the house and car are paid off, I'll be taking your approach at a few different places and really "working on my game."

Good luck to you, let the community know how it turns out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Subfallen]

Diablo doesn't use them. On an infinitely lesser note, I don't use them and am winning 3BB/100 over my last 40k hands of 10/20.

[IGMorton]

wow.

interested in coaching?

[kahntrutahn]

Also, I wanted to add, as I am guilty of doing this on more than one prolonged stretch of hands, relying too much on stat reads can be quite detrimental. Sometimes I get so caught up in playing the stats, that that is all I pay attention to. I stop making meaningful notes, stop seeing patterns right in front of my face, basically just shut down and play the numbers. Granted that may be because I'm pumping out 500+ hands an hour when I play, but I know it has cost me a significant amount of money. So in a way, relying on stats negatively impacts my winrate because it detracts from my skill advancement and mental awareness... yes... a few more months of grinding 60k hands a month and then I'll roll back and really concentrate on my game. I'd really like to be a 2.5+ winner [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]