Party $1k PLO8 drawing hand.

[Wintermute]

2nd hand at the table, no reads.

$1000 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
Seat 2 is the button Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: Villain1 ( $917.63 )
Seat 1: Villain2 ( $404.87 )
Seat 5: Folder ( $1003 )
Seat 10: Folder ( $1054 )
Seat 2: Folder ( $1081 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $990 )
Seat 4: BB ( $767 )
Seat 7: Folder ( $1000 )
Seat 9: Folder ( $1000 )
Hero posts small blind [$5].
Villain3 posts big blind [$10].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Js Ah 7h Tc ]

Folder folds.
Villain1 calls [$10].
Folder folds.
Villain2 calls [$10].
Folder folds.
Hero calls [$5].
BB checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Th, 9h ]

Hero checks.
BB checks.
Villain1 bets [$38].
Villain2 calls [$38].
Hero ?

[Ribbo]

If he is bluffing with a QJ draw, then you want him to keep bluffing. If he has J8 then you certainly don't want to raise either. Folding isn't an option either. So flat calling looks just fine. A set is a more likely hand than J8 though, can't see anyone in early position playing J8, TT seems more believable since he isn't betting a low draw or a flush draw, the guy is either a tard with AA who wanted to check raise preflop but never got the chance, or is betting a decent enough hand for value.

[Wintermute]

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If he has J8 then you certainly don't want to raise either.

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See, this isn't what I was sure about. I figured at the time I might be a cointoss or better against the flopped str (as long as my boat outs are good). What are your reasons for not wanting to battle with J8 at this point?

[Ribbo]

I like having 2 callers on the flop rather than 1 with this hand. It's possible between them they have you just drawing to a flush, hell a lot of things are possible like them both having nothing. You are out of position and in the blinds which is the only big reason for shoving here.

[emptyshell]

You're at best a coin toss, why would you want to raise? The only situations you like are if they both call or both fold. I don't think that will happen very often.

[Wintermute]

Thanks for comments so far. I actually raised, figuring that there was a good chance I could get the big stack to fold, leaving me heads up against the smaller stack, against which I definitely have odds to get committed. Also, I decided that if the big stack came along, then not only do I have the cards that make my hand, but also I have potential bluffing outs if the board brings a higher straight (so I'm representing the str w/ str redraws). If I had happened to get all-in against either or both on the flop, then I figure I may be a slight dog but am getting the odds to make it EV-neutral at worst, barring a real disaster like top set + str.

The turn brought the higher str bluff card, and so I potted it virtually all-in. Does this seem totally out of line?


$1000 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
Seat 2 is the button Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: Villain1 ( $917.63 )
Seat 1: Villain2 ( $404.87 )
Seat 5: Folder ( $1003 )
Seat 10: Folder ( $1054 )
Seat 2: Folder ( $1081 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $990 )
Seat 4: BB ( $767 )
Seat 7: Folder ( $1000 )
Seat 9: Folder ( $1000 )
Hero posts small blind [$5].
Villain3 posts big blind [$10].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Js Ah 7h Tc ]

Folder folds.
Villain1 calls [$10].
Folder folds.
Villain2 calls [$10].
Folder folds.
Hero calls [$5].
BB checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Th, 9h ]

Hero checks.
Villain3 checks.
Villain1 bets [$38].
Villain2 calls [$38].
Hero raises [$190].
Villain3 folds.
Villain1 calls [$152].
Villain2 calls [$152].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]

Hero bets [$607].