KQo out of the BB - how bad was this?

vhuntd · #1 10-15-2005, 04:56 PM

no reads
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

lautzutao · #2 10-15-2005, 05:05 PM

I don't think it's horrible. Maybe the size of the pot at the time of the turn-raise you could fold right there due to some of your outs also completing FD's. I would have made the river call. You have the turn-raiser beat at this point I believe, and the button could be bluffing. The pot is now big enough to call this.

NH

milesdyson · #3 10-15-2005, 05:06 PM

folding the turn is where it's at.

vhuntd · #4 10-15-2005, 05:10 PM

I was going to but i decided to call getting 10-1 on the call. Should i perhaps have check folded the turn?

lautzutao · #5 10-15-2005, 05:15 PM

You don't have the odds to call that raise on the turn. At best you have 4 outs, and I believe you're getting 9-1 here.

PokerSparky · #6 10-15-2005, 05:28 PM

Getting ~10:1 on the turn, I think it's close. If you give yourself 4 outs, it's an easy call, but I think you have to discount your outs to around 3 so I think it pushes it more toward a fold.

In the moment, I would probably call the raise as well, but I think I need to learn to fold here more often.

xenthebrain · #7 10-16-2005, 09:44 AM

I would like to have some stats/reads here.
But against a normal person, folding the turn wouldn't be bad.

gopnik · #8 10-16-2005, 09:49 AM

anybody c/r the river? UTG just called, meaning he does not have a flush, so, why not raise?

xenthebrain · #9 10-16-2005, 09:54 AM

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anybody c/r the river? UTG just called, meaning he does not have a flush, so, why not raise?

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What do you put button on? He cold-called on the turn...
He could have taken a free showdown.
IMO, he has the flush (or a hand that beats kings up) at least 70% of the time.

gopnik · #10 10-16-2005, 11:11 AM

yeah, sorry, I misread the hand, I thought UTG bet the river.
Never mind