Holdem , Foldem

[chadsworth]

No reads, first blind level

***** Hand History for Game 2852371243 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16453951 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, October 13, 18:05:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 35028 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: howlucky1 ( $800 )
Seat 3: Littleone333 ( $800 )
Seat 6: BC4ME ( $655 )
Seat 7: natural2nyg ( $800 )
Seat 9: vincent5944 ( $745 )
Seat 10: spider_joe ( $800 )
Seat 5: jmecks11 ( $800 )
Seat 8: Hero ( $1000 )
Seat 2: carlitos5 ( $800 )
Seat 4: johnfrinkyII ( $800 )
Trny:16453951 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h Jh ]
spider_joe calls [15].
howlucky1 folds.
carlitos5 calls [15].
Littleone333 folds.
johnfrinkyII folds.
jmecks11 folds.
BC4ME calls [15].
natural2nyg folds.
Hero calls [5].
vincent5944 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Js, 6c ]
Hero bets [45].
vincent5944 calls [45].
spider_joe calls [45].
carlitos5 calls [45].
BC4ME calls [45].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Hero bets [200].
vincent5944 raises [400].
spider_joe folds.
carlitos5 folds.
BC4ME is all-In [595]
Hero ?

Little feed back would be great, I don't think that BC4ME would put his whole stack on the line with one pair

[runner4life7]

its a 10+1 so it could be anything, but most likely a straight and with the other guy already raised before him I think i drop it, but you do have outs to a full house.

[psyduck]

Bet more on the flop or check/raise a good amount.

I think you can fold the turn, but it's been a while since I've played a 10+1, I don't know what kind of donkishness goes on there. Looks very much like someone has a higher two pair or a straight.

On the flop: I either check/raise or check/call and lead the turn, depending if the bet came from EP or LP respectively.

A case could also be made for folding pf.

Bleh to your turn action, I'd probably fold thinking I'm beat...but at the $11s you'd be surprised how often your not here.

[chadsworth]

I can't fold pre-flop for 5 chips here, thanks you for your thoughs I did fold and the raiser called with AQ the other donk that pushed had KQ. You got to love those 11's

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I can't fold pre-flop for 5 chips here

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You really should. You'd be surprised how often a goofy 2-pair from the blinds that you would never play otherwise gets counterfeited and costs you your stack. J8 is a horrible hand for pretty much every price. Nice results, though.

[w_alloy]

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You really should. You'd be surprised how often a goofy 2-pair from the blinds that you would never play otherwise gets counterfeited and costs you your stack. J8 is a horrible hand for pretty much every price. Nice results, though.

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The only way this could be true is if you have poor post-flop skills. Anyone who can beat the game should play this. Oviously you arent giving up a ton if you fold, but I dont think the desicion is close.

[se2schul]

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I can't fold pre-flop for 5 chips here

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You really should. You'd be surprised how often a goofy 2-pair from the blinds that you would never play otherwise gets counterfeited and costs you your stack. J8 is a horrible hand for pretty much every price. Nice results, though.

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14:1 is a fold?
You're playing OOP so you need to tread carefully postflop, but I can't fold for 14:1 when it's costing me 1/2 of 1% of my stack.

0.5% getting 14:1 = sweet.

The odds mean I'm calling this pre flop but honestly, the amount of chips I've lost with donkish two pairs on the flop is unreal.

From now on I'm open pushing any two pair on the flop, it's just not worth letting anyone else see ANY cards. That flop bet is far far too small by the way, if your going to play it play it very hard.

I just went to my fridge and a bearded prophet told me this:

"It's an 11 dollar sit and go on party, your opponents are really stupid, holdem"