JT Won't Need LAGs to Stand

mantasm · #1 10-11-2005, 02:15 AM

Villain is a 50/30 type guy, very aggressive postflop. We've played a few hands together and he hasn't won any of them. He hasn't seen a showdown against me. Hero is a marauding ghoul.

It's 5 handed, I'm the cutoff and villain is the button. I raise with JT and button calls. I would guess I have the better hand. I begin to suspect immediately that he will try to outplay me postflop. He will start by raising the flop when I bet. The SB folds and the BB calls.

The flop is:

K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet. He raises, which is not a surprise. The BB folds and I call. How was this? Edit: My plan here is to check raise the turn unless I hit an A/9 in which case I will bet.

The turn is the 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I check he bets I raise. He should fold now but he doesn't. He calls. How do you like the turn action? What is your plan for a river blank, a J/T, an A/9?

The river is the J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

I check, he bets, I call. Good?

This hand was a little tough for me. I pretty much knew when he was going to bet or raise on every street, which means I can't really give him a range of hands. I know he can fold and I know there's a good chance he doesn't have a hand worth showing down, but neither do I.

wackjob · #2 10-11-2005, 02:17 AM

I would have 3-bet the flop and just ploughed on.

ArturiusX · #3 10-11-2005, 02:19 AM

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I would have 3-bet the flop and just ploughed on.

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I don't think our equity is that great against anything but a flop bluff.

I think its better to call the flop raise, and pop the turn with any improvement. More money when your infront, less when your behind.

wackjob · #4 10-11-2005, 02:22 AM

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Hero is a marauding ghoul.

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This is why I would play it like that.

Victor · #5 10-11-2005, 02:27 AM

you realize that its a 3 big bet investment to get him to fold?

mantasm · #6 10-11-2005, 02:28 AM

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you realize that its a 3 big bet investment to get him to fold?

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Yes. I don't really this was the best line but I don't know what is. When you see the flop, what is your plan? Keeping in mind that he hasn't made it to any showdowns. And there's actually a chance you have the best hand. Or 14 outs.

pyroponic · #7 10-11-2005, 03:50 AM

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I would have 3-bet the flop and just ploughed on.

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I don't think our equity is that great against anything but a flop bluff.

I think its better to call the flop raise, and pop the turn with any improvement. More money when your infront, less when your behind.

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This is the line i'd use as well, i've tried everything else and this one seems to be the most +EV.

Victor · #8 10-11-2005, 04:00 AM

my line is to call his raise. check and call the turn. lead the river if i hit a straight. check and call if i hit a pair or check and fold depending on his river tendencies.

one thing i like to pay close attention to is river tendencies.

goofball · #9 10-11-2005, 04:09 AM

Don't try to outlag the lag. You likely have an equity edge against his range on the flop so jam. Be ok with checkcalling the turn if you miss I think, but I would have just 3bet the flop. The river action depends on how he plays 8s 5s and A high. If he bets those than check, if he checks them then bet.

mantasm · #10 10-11-2005, 04:17 PM

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my line is to call his raise. check and call the turn. lead the river if i hit a straight. check and call if i hit a pair or check and fold depending on his river tendencies.

one thing i like to pay close attention to is river tendencies.

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I don't really like the passive line here because he's made it to so few showdowns. I don't remember if I mentioned it before, but he'd folded before showdown in every hand I was in him with, 3 or so.