Pot-sweetener raise finds a turned set.

imported_anacardo · #1 10-08-2005, 01:08 AM

Trying to get my limit chops back together.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

This raise = probably pointless, though it does have some potentially profitable deception value.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Would there be any good purpose in betting here? I guess I want anyone with a three to fold, but on the other hand, I've got poor pot odds to my two-outer.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Bingo. I suppose I could checkraise for value, but a draw, weak queen or pocket underpair may not bet. I felt I was more likely to maximize action this way.

River: (10.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.
Not a great river card. Bet/call seems standard here.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

thesharpie · #2 10-08-2005, 01:20 AM

I'm pretty sure PF has negative EV, but you probably already know that. I'd save it for when you're on the button or CO if you want to make this play, if it's -EV it won't be by much in position, and it can be slightly +EV in the best circumstances, say the blinds were loose and everyone was passive in this example. Anyway, I digress..

Flop is an easy check. Turn don't get fancy. River, no reason to suspect a 3 is out there, yet.

detruncate · #3 10-08-2005, 03:53 AM

I don't like the pfr. In position you might make up for diminished implied odds by occasionally getting to see a free turn, but OOP I'd prefer to see the flop for free.

No way I bet the flop. Turn and river are standard.

flopmonster · #4 10-08-2005, 11:47 AM

do u call one on this flop?

sean c · #5 10-08-2005, 12:09 PM

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It depends on who bet and how many players called the bet but probably not.

imported_anacardo · #6 10-08-2005, 12:50 PM

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do u call one on this flop?

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Absolutely not.

sean c · #7 10-08-2005, 12:54 PM

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Absolutely not.

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UTG bets all call hero closing the action getting 17.5:1. You don't think you can make up 5sb here if you hit your set? This is about the only way but i think saying absolutely not is a little strong.

imported_anacardo · #8 10-08-2005, 12:56 PM

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Absolutely not.

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UTG bets all call hero closing the action getting 17.5:1. You don't think you can make up 5sb here if you hit your set? This is about the only way but i think saying absolutely not is a little strong.

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Okay, in the best possible scenario you describe, yes.

Redd · #9 10-08-2005, 01:03 PM

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I don't like the pfr. In position you might make up for diminished implied odds by occasionally getting to see a free turn, but OOP I'd prefer to see the flop for free.

No way I bet the flop. Turn and river are standard.

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I agree with this entire post.

jedi · #10 10-08-2005, 03:36 PM

Everyone doesn't like the Pre-flop raise, but isn't it correct in this spot just for value? 5 callers, makes it 6.5 small bets in the pot when it gets back to hero. It's about 8 to 1 to flop a set, right? I don't think a raise here is all that bad.