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Old 10-06-2005, 09:23 AM
98romaine 98romaine is offline
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Default Fairly deep stack $2-4, flopped nut str8 OOP, board pairs on turn

Party full $2-4
Read on villain is aggressive but seems to know what he is doing. Button raise is somewhat standard for him after limpers. Relevant stacks:
Hero: $800
Villain: $660

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.
1 limper, Hero limps from MP, CO limps, Button raises to $15
EP calls, hero calls, CO folds.
Pot=$55


Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
EP checks, hero checks, Buttons bets $ 35, EP folds, Hero calls.
pot=$125

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero checks, Villain bets $70

Pretty sure AA,KK, AK, not in his hand range b/c of preflop would have been more. QQ/KQ/JJ/1010/99/j10 are possibilities.

Thoughts on leading the turn? Check/call or C/R turn? why?

River is what based on above?

Thanks.
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Old 10-06-2005, 09:25 AM
yvesaint yvesaint is offline
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Default Re: Fairly deep stack $2-4, flopped nut str8 OOP, board pairs on turn

man his pre-flop raise is really weak

also, bet the flop, never 'slowplay' flopped broadway straights
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Old 10-06-2005, 09:38 AM
VarlosZ VarlosZ is offline
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Default Re: Fairly deep stack $2-4, flopped nut str8 OOP, board pairs on turn

Why didn't you check-raise the flop? With that board, you're not going to get significant action on later streets from a hand that won't put lots of money in on the flop. Raise and hope he has AK/AQ or a set, since that's the only way you're getting paid regardless.

As played, I'd vomit all over my keyboard on the turn. Probably check/call the turn, but that leaves his hand so ill-defined that you may have to make a heroic call on the river. So, probably check/call, then a smallish blocking bet (~$120-$150) on the river.
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Old 10-06-2005, 10:02 AM
98romaine 98romaine is offline
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Default Re: Fairly deep stack $2-4, flopped nut str8 OOP, board pairs on turn

Yves,

why not slow play the nuts vs an aggressive oppoenent? Granted the card that fell on the turn froze me up but a non-broadway card on the turn I can c/r big as I'm pretty sure he is betting the turn on a low card as well.
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Old 10-06-2005, 10:13 AM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: Fairly deep stack $2-4, flopped nut str8 OOP, board pairs on turn

Think about how many cards will either kill your hand or kill your action on the turn-- 3 aces, 3 kings, 3 queens, 3 jacks, 3 tens means about a quarter of the time, you're going to have a hard time getting money in good. On a broadway board, a preflop raiser will almost always have something to give you action with anyway so there's no reason to wait.

Slowplaying relies on your opponent being able to catch a card that will help him but still have him second best; on a board like this, there is next to nothing that will accomplish this (a 9 if he has 99 is about the only thing I can think of).
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