Should this hand have ended on the flop? If not, call the river?

steveyz · #1 10-04-2005, 12:37 PM

No reads

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, Hero ???, CO calls.

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Turn: (10.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, BB calls, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, Button folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (21.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, Hero ???.

rigoletto · #2 10-04-2005, 12:45 PM

Flop is really borderline, especially if it gets capped. Getting 7:1 with 5 outs and you could be drawing to the straight only. I think you should find a fold.

Raise the turn. You could be way ahead here and there is only one way to find out.

You have to call this river getting 21:1

ihardlyknowher · #3 10-04-2005, 12:46 PM

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No reads

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, Hero ???, CO calls.

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Turn: (10.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, BB calls, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, Button folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (21.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, Hero ???.

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I would have ended preflop with a fold.

DpR · #4 10-04-2005, 01:03 PM

Flop looks like a clear fold, you just dont have odds, there are redraws and chops to deal with as well.

I would call the river becasue the pot is so big. I doubt you are winning very frequently though. After the flop you are just ina tough spot with a good hand.

AviD · #5 10-04-2005, 01:14 PM

I'd fold the flop when it comes back 3-bet.

That is an awesome bait card Party threw you on the turn though. I love those.

rudedog78 · #6 10-04-2005, 03:12 PM

I would also fold pre flop unless the table is REALLY loose.

AviD · #7 10-04-2005, 03:22 PM

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I would also fold pre flop unless the table is REALLY loose.

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With no reads, I prefer folding PF here as well. Open raising medium pockets vs unknowns can put you into difficult spots such as in this hand, although I think it's a pretty clear fold on the flop.

#8 10-04-2005, 04:24 PM

muck it on the flop.

another reason why middle pairs are so hard to play.

Nightwish · #9 10-04-2005, 04:31 PM

Preflop looks fine to me. Incidentally, I would fold 55 there.

And yeah, I would have to fold the flop, even with the 5 or so outs you might be getting....

amulet · #10 10-04-2005, 06:09 PM

fold preflop, fold on the flop. you are giving away $.