KK vs 3bet HU - standard?

Akimka · #1 10-01-2005, 07:37 PM

No reads (2nd hand).

What's hero standard river play?
Rest of hand is OK?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero should ????

MrWookie47 · #2 10-01-2005, 07:42 PM

No reads? Yuck. I'd probably call and hate myself. For the early streets, I'm torn between just leading the flop (probably 3betting, but I"m not sure) and taking your line.

Akimka · #3 10-01-2005, 07:49 PM

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No reads? Yuck. I'd probably call and hate myself.

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Will villain showdown JJ often enough to make it EV+? I thought about this hand but can't imagine what possible hand villain can have (that I can beat). May be there exist some and I just can't see them?

Brain · #4 10-01-2005, 07:51 PM

Call and beat my head against the desk when I lose. The only PF cappable hand you're beating is JJ. I think you're behind/tied when you get 3bet on the flop. Given this reasoning, I suppose you could fold the turn, but that's up to you.

MrWookie47 · #5 10-01-2005, 07:53 PM

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No reads? Yuck. I'd probably call and hate myself.

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Will villain showdown JJ often enough to make it EV+? I thought about this hand but can't imagine what possible hand villain can have (that I can beat). May be there exist some and I just can't see them?

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I hate myself because calling is -EV, but I did it anyways. I think there's a reasonable chance of donking with AK, AQ or JJ on the turn that I'll want to see the river, but you're almost certainly toast on that river.

Akimka · #6 10-01-2005, 07:55 PM

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I think you're behind/tied when you get 3bet on the flop. Given this reasoning, I suppose you could fold the turn, but that's up to you.

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AQ can play this way... May be AK either. Don't think so?

MrWookie47 · #7 10-01-2005, 07:58 PM

I think 1 time in 5 is a fairly reasonable estimate for being ahead, and that's enough to call down

milesdyson · #8 10-01-2005, 08:10 PM

??????????????????

you could only fold the river by folding the turn

and my first instinct is to check call this flop

Brain · #9 10-01-2005, 08:18 PM

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I think you're behind/tied when you get 3bet on the flop. Given this reasoning, I suppose you could fold the turn, but that's up to you.

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AQ can play this way... May be AK either. Don't think so?

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I wouldn't put AQ on capping preflop, but perhaps. There's less of a chance of AK since you hold two of the kings.