PLO8 $600: nut low/two pair on monotone flop

[Wintermute]

$600 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Hero ( $1382.80 )
Seat 3: Folder ( $703 )
Seat 5: Folder ( $181 )
Seat 4: Folder ( $526 )
Seat 6: Villian ( $646 )
Hero posts small blind [$3].
pokerh20 posts big blind [$6].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 3c 2s 4h Ah ]

Folder folds.
Folder folds.
Villian calls [$6].
Hero calls [$3].
Folder checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 4s, As ]

Hero checks.
Folder checks.
Villian bets [$6].
Hero raises [$35.10].
Folder folds.
Villian raises [$58.20].

Hero ?

[DyessMan89]

No pumpity pump pre-flop? What are you, a little girly man? I woulda let at the flop, but given the situation you are in, I think you have to lay it down. Its close, but I think you are too easily dominated here. Any 23xx with xx being 2 spades has you in awful shape.

Heres a couple of common examples ...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1249796
pokenum -o8 3c 2s 4h ah - 2h 3d qs js -- 8s 4s as
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing As 8s 4s
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
2s 3c Ah 4h 0 156 664 0 0 0 820 0.345
Qs Js 3d 2h 0 664 156 0 0 0 820 0.655

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1249798
pokenum -o8 3c 2s 4h ah - 2h 3d 5s 6s -- 8s 4s as
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing As 8s 4s
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
2s 3c Ah 4h 0 152 668 0 0 142 678 0.299
6s 5s 3d 2h 124 668 152 0 142 0 678 0.701

[Jorge10]

Lets look at the betting first, he min bet, then you raised and he immediately came over the top.

Heres how I look at that, min bet can mean a few things,
1)Where am I at? is my 10 high flush good?
2)I got a monster and I want to make it cheap because im so strong I want callers.
Thats what a min bet can mean.

Now you raised and he raised you again, that eliminates 1 in my opinion. Which leaves number 2.

Itd fold.

You didnt put any info on the guy, so he might be a maniac.

[Wintermute]

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No pumpity pump pre-flop?

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Perhaps I should've mentioned that the BB had been routinely raising if the action limped around to him PF. But also, I occasionally will not raise a strong hand preflop, because variety is the spice of life.

[Wintermute]

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Itd fold.

You didnt put any info on the guy, so he might be a maniac.

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He isn't a maniac, based on the few hands I've played with him. However, I think folding errs on the weak-tight side of the coin--nut low with two pair can too-easily be well ahead, or freerolling, or turn into a scooping hand.

[Jorge10]

His opening bet seemed kind of fishy to me, I mean why min bet? Thats basically what I based the fold on besides the reraise.

[emptyshell]

His small raise feels like either a monster or a feeler. He might have a non-nut flush and want to see if you're serious. Of course, I'd feel a lot better about your hand if you had a 5, but I think I push anyway. You have outs if he likes his hand. Fck, though, I've been getting quartered a lot lately.

[Wintermute]

Sounds like in general you guys had the same reaction as I did. The flop action was so weird it basically stopped me in my tracks. Couldn't decide whether I was drawing to 4 outs to avoid being quartered (up against 23 suited), or up against 235, or up against some dumbass playing ANY flush (which might bet this way because it's getting freerolled by any low). Turns out it was option 3, and he called my river bet even though the board paired (not in a way that helped me, unfortunately):

Hero calls [$29.10].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]

Hero checks.
Villain checks.

** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]

Hero bets [$144.40].
Villain calls [$144.40].
Hero shows [ 3c, 2s, 4h, Ah ] two pairs, aces and eights.
Hero shows 8,4,3,2,A for low.
Villain shows [ Ks, 7c, Tc, Ts ] a flush, ace high.
Villain wins $216.60 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
Hero wins Lo ($216.60) from the main pot with 8,4,3,2,A.

So his weird flop action did keep me from betting on the turn when I should have. Still, I hate his hand and would probably try to fold to the raise on the flop, although I'm addicted to flushes so it'd be tough.

[Jorge10]

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Turns out it was option 3, and he called my river bet even though the board paired (not in a way that helped me, unfortunately):


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It happens sometimes, I mean the A/A/9/9 board hand I posted everyone agreed it looked like quads, but someone had called a flop bet with 2/3/X/X, what im trying to say is this: just because you run into someone every once in a while that shows you the least likely hand possible it doesnt mean that most of the time you will be up against the least likely hand possible when betting says otherwise.