2 Clear Folds??

Falker11 · #1 09-28-2005, 08:43 PM

nl 100 party poker full ring

hand 1:

Sat down 7 hands ago, no reads. stats unknown

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CO ($218.05)
Button ($98.45)
SB ($100)
BB ($99)
UTG ($95.95)
UTG+1 ($93.80)
Hero ($94)
MP1 ($101.70)
MP2 ($24)
MP3 ($178.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, Button calls $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($13) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, Button calls $15, SB raises to $30

SB seems to be playing like a donkey with a set would. Do you think so too?
Whats your line for the rest of the hand?

Hand 2:
stats: sb: 35/9/51
Mp1: 33/6/33

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MP2 ($215.55)
CO ($214.95)
Button ($211.85)
SB ($103.55)
Hero ($104.90)
UTG ($100.20)
UTG+1 ($22.50)
MP1 ($177.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 3 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $7, MP1 calls $7, SB calls $5.

Turn: ($24) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, MP1 raises to $50, SB folds,

What do you think about how I played the flop and turn until now. What hand range do you put villian on? I figure he most likely has 3 sevens also; I might be in kicker trouble, I might not. He could have a boat, I could see 6s full playing this way. He could also have a straight draw which picked up a flush draw, which I think is most unlikely. If villian has 3 sevens, he probably has one of the following 57,67(boat),78,97,A7. I can beat 3 of these 5 hands.

What is your line for the rest of the hand?

-Falker

DyessMan89 · #2 09-28-2005, 08:46 PM

I am indeed folding both these hands, but it is rather close.

Malachii · #3 09-28-2005, 08:47 PM

Hand 1 is tough. I might fold but probably not. If nothing else you have a BDFD. AK OOP with a K is a tough hand to play. Stop and go or check/call/blcok river are both lines if you choose to continue.

Hand 2: Get it in there. You have a decent kicker, hope he has a 7 and not a set. I can't see myself folding this given how big the pot is.

JeanieJ · #4 09-28-2005, 08:49 PM

Hand #1:

I would call this mini raise then check/call the turn. If his bet on the turn screams strength folding wouldn't be bad. Though I'm not getting away from this hand before the turn

Hand #2:

I like how you played the hand. I don't see anything wrong with it. Though folding is the correct play to MP1's raise. You're likely behind here.

MINETZ · #5 09-28-2005, 09:01 PM

hand 1: folding is way to weak. you have tptk and a flush re draw, u have huge pot odds and he has shown minimal strength. Id call and re evaluate on the turn.
hand 2: what hands could u see him limping from that position that u beat, i see 0, i can only see A7s and 66.

orange · #6 09-28-2005, 09:23 PM

Hand 1: I like call-
check/call-block river. Or c/c all the way down depending on turn/river.

Hand 2: I think you can safely fold this. 50/50 IMO.

dtbog · #7 09-29-2005, 11:48 AM

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Flop: ($13) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, Button calls $15, SB raises to $30

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People keep mentioning check/calling the rest of the way.. this seems awful to me. (Especially because Hero is in position on SB in this hand). I can't imagine SB not leading the turn..

... and if Hero calls on the flop, even if button folds, any turn bet will be all-in for Hero, who has $60 left into a $90 pot.

I think this is a good fold on the flop. SB isn't min-checkraise-bluffing into 2 players, and it's very likely that button has two spades in his hand.

SB is indeed a donkey with a set.... unless he has X3 of spades, in which case you're not even that far ahead.

djoyce003 · #8 09-29-2005, 12:01 PM

I'm folding hand 1....I think calling is HORRIBLE. In this situation with that board, the only options are pushing or folding...calling is flushing money down the toilet. Assuming a brick turn and a 2/3 pot bet from the SB...you are folding right? He's checkraised out of position into 2 people that have bet AND called....I think you are behind here way over 80% of the time...maybe more. If you call this you are giving someone with a flush draw here great odds to call it and also beat you in the unlikely event that you are ahead. If you catch an ace or a king on the turn it really doesn't change anything about where you are.....there aren't any cards you can feel good about and you are just throwing good money after bad here I think.

Hand 2 - I probably grit my teeth and push here. You might be outkicked...you might not....if you are behind to a FH or a better kicker you do have outs unless he's got the overfull, which is unlikely given the preflop action.

Falker11 · #9 10-10-2005, 11:58 PM

Sorry about taking so long for results, got sidetracked.

In hand one I thought it was a pretty clear push/fold situation. A call leave me in a very awkward spot as the pot would be about 85 and my stack about 60. After thinking a bit i figured sb has to have a set here most of the time and folded. Luckily the button donked off his chips with KJ so i got to see the SB's 333.

Hand two

I figured villian might have a worse 7 here enough of the time, so I called, not too thrilled. He had A7 but luckily the board paired at the end to split it for me.

-Falker

RED FACE · #10 10-11-2005, 12:09 AM

hand 1 jam it hard imo. sb has KQ and will dump it and button is on a draw(I hope).

hand 2 I agree with what you said and push.