QQ vs schneids

[bicyclekick]

Bellagio 80/160 full table. Neither of us are running overly well and I don't really think we'd tangled in awhile.

I open raised QQ in teh co, schneids 3 bet ouf of his sb, bb folded, I 4 bet, he calls.

flop K98 rainbow. He check calls.

Turn A. Check check.

River 5 bet fold.

[Robb]

Against him:
How often do you check the turn with an Ace?
How often with a king?

[mscags]

I'm not sure of the history between you too, but against a normal solid opponent, I don't see how you can call this. Would he really bluff with a smaller pp in this spot?

[BarronVangorToth]

This is player specific to not just the man as a whole, but how the history between the two of you plays out and what he thinks you think he thinks he will do and why.

Can he make this move with 10's or J's...?

Or, more appropriately, would he make this move against you at that exact moment with 10's or J's...?

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[gonores]

Something tells me Schneids was donkbetting most turn cards in this spot. I really heart the way you played this.

I might call river.

edit: If he is very agro

[Schneids]

My flop action + my turn action = it's unlikely I have an ace.

[DcifrThs]

[ QUOTE ]
Bellagio 80/160 full table. Neither of us are running overly well and I don't really think we'd tangled in awhile.

I open raised QQ in teh co, schneids 3 bet ouf of his sb, bb folded, I 4 bet, he calls.

flop K98 rainbow. He check calls.

Turn A. Check check.

River 5 bet fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

wow, mikey's 3betting hands vs. YOU in the CO have to include other pairs A9s and up, maybe even QJs or JTs. he check called flop, he probably was giving up to the turn, or c'ring you.

once you check he KNOWS you didn't like the ace, but MAY have been inducing a bluff.

its quite possible he knows you know that he knows youd be inducing a bluff and bet to get you to fold.

when i check the turn i dont plan on folding rivers w/ showdownable hands.

he needs 88/99/A9/AQ/AJ/AT/KQ/KJs etc. to value bet you. of course you feel like a chump when he value bets your ass w/ KJs but hey, he can easily also bet TT/JJ to get you off QQ/JJ...

my ONLY problem w/ calling is wtf did he call the flop with??? eveything he did would beat you...but then again, ive seen schneider show down some, uh, interesting hands...

and he's a fish [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

and you dont want him betting misssed draws like that on the river (JTs) knowing you'll fold enough to make it worth it.

but, its 6bb pot and you gotta be good 1/7 to call...if we can find some hands he calls the flop with then you gotta call the river...

man, at this point id take a coin out of my pocket, flip it, if it lands heads on the table then i call and say the coin loves you if you just put out a value bet.

Barron

[DcifrThs]

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My flop action + my turn action = it's unlikely I have an ace.

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u dont check the A there? or bet w/o the ace sometimes? does BK call if you bet the turn? will he call if you check the turn and bet the river (well we just found out)

Barron

[Nigel]

BK, are you folding if Schneids just bets out on the turn?