I Don't Like It....

Moozh · #1 09-27-2005, 11:52 PM

I usually avoid low aces, but I've been trying to open up. The opening up is working great, but I'm not sure about this hand.

UTG - loose/passive... 65/0 after 30 hands.
Button - Also loose/passive with almost identical stats.
SB - Loose/aggro at 50/20.

After the passive guy wakes up, am I done? Call down? Or am I losing value by not raising the turn?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets...

Now what?

-Skeme- · #2 09-27-2005, 11:55 PM

I like it, it's doubtful he has a 4, isn't it? Seems like he has AKo/AQo or something.

New001 · #3 09-28-2005, 12:10 AM

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UTG - loose/passive... 65/0 after 30 hands.
Button - Also loose/passive with almost identical stats.
SB - Loose/aggro at 50/20.
Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets...

Now what?

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You're beat to a 4 almost every time. A4, K4, 45, 46, 47, 34, 44... these guys can potentially play any or all of those, suited or offsuit. I like raising the flop here against this field. At least make the bozos behind you pay 2 for their gutshots if they want to call. SB seems laggy enough that he'll pay you off with a smaller pocket pair even if you raise him on the flop.

ArturiusX · #4 09-28-2005, 12:29 AM

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I like it, it's doubtful he has a 4, isn't it? Seems like he has AKo/AQo or something.

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Check the action again.

me454555 · #5 09-28-2005, 12:38 AM

PF - standard
Flop - I really think you need to raise this. The pot is pretty big and you have to worry about protecting your hand. Sb could very well have a bigger ace but you don't want someone w/a 4 to draw out on you if you hit your kicker. I think a flop raise is the way to go and hope you don't get 3 bet.

Turn - Well, I think I need to see what sb does on the turn before I know what I'll do. If he caps I think you can toss. If he calls, you have odds to call for your FH outs which are only 3 and not the traditional 4.

-Skeme- · #6 09-28-2005, 01:10 AM

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Check the action again.

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A player raised from the blinds.. which hands that include a 4 is he raising here?

mikeyworm · #7 09-28-2005, 01:30 AM

This looks like the kind of situation where I grit my teeth and call down. I am definitley folding if it is capped back to me but I expect that the SB will fold and I will find myself up against 44.

Redd · #8 09-28-2005, 01:43 AM

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Check the action again.

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A player raised from the blinds.. which hands that include a 4 is he raising here?

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I think we're more concerned about the passive button who woke up and 3-bet the turn than the pfr.

-Skeme- · #9 09-28-2005, 01:58 AM

Alright, missed that.. twice.

Drontier · #10 09-28-2005, 02:06 AM

If sb 3 bets me and its heads up, I think I still call any turn. I likely still have 7 outs. 3 for my two pair and 4 for my gut.