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Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
Hand 1:
MP is 20/10/.83 over 51 hands Button is 26/11/2.5 over 53 hands Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $3. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero (poster) calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: (7.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333"></font>Hero ??? Hand 2: SB is 40/22/1.84 over 60 hands No other info Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">,</font>Hero ??? Thanks, lozing |
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
Raise both.
I'd make a continuation bet on the turn in hand 1 hoping he'll fold. Hand 2 could go either way depending on the lag. |
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
I would call in Hand 1, and raise in Hand 2. I would raise hand 2 because I was the PFR, and in addition to our open ender draw, we have 2 overcards giving us a better chance to win the pot that way as well.
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
I raise both because I love buying the button.
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
[ QUOTE ]
I would call in Hand 1, and raise in Hand 2. I would raise hand 2 because I was the PFR, and in addition to our open ender draw, we have 2 overcards giving us a better chance to win the pot that way as well. C-Dog [/ QUOTE ] The tag pf raiser in hand 1 misses this flop a lot. We should use our semi-bluff strength to gain fold equity and win unimproved. It would be a major coup if we could get AK-AJ, KQ, KJ etc to fold on the river unimproved. Since we have a straight draw and not a flush draw, it will be less obvious that we are semi-bluffing. Shutting out the button is another argument for raising. |
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
Hand 1 is an easy raise since it doesn't look like there are any draws on it and it most likely missed the tight MP. Hand 2 is closer. Sometimes I raise and sometimes I call and fold the river if I don't improve.
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
I like raising in both cases, to shut out the button and set up the free card play if the turn brings a blank.
In the second hand, though you have overcards that could win as well, hitting the pair could make a str8, especially if you hit the T. (If you have been blessed with the same luck I have seen lately, you have to consider that villain has Q7 or some other crappy hand and made the str8. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ) |
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Re: Semibluff Drawing Hands? 3/6 6max
I have different lines here, can anyone explain to me if\why these aren't optimal?
First hand, posting in the CO is a bit odd but we can ignore that. From my experiences at 3/6, its really hard to move people off of overcards. If you raise flop, he calls, check/bet turn, what do you do on the river if you don't hit straight? A pair is probably good, but do you bet low cards? Do you bet a Q,K,A? I would personally call and hope button calls adding money to the pot. If I was going to raise, I might raise the turn if a safe card falls. Am I giving up too much EV at 3/6 by just playing straightforward? I find the loose\passive calling stations don't fold enough to make this play worthwhile. The bet in hand two to me screams i have a pair(or just a 7, possibly pair+7) and i know you have overcards, i want to 3 bet you. I still think it's necessary to raise, though you may have less outs than you think. |
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Rest of Hands
Thanks for the comments. Here is the rest of the hands. I also chose to raise on both for reasons already stated. Any other comments? I assume the rest is pretty standard.:
Hand 1: Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $3. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero (poster) calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: (7.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (6.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls. River: (10.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. Final Pot: 12.66 BB Hand 2: Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls. Turn: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks. River: (6.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls. Final Pot: 9.50 BB |
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