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Old 09-20-2005, 10:53 PM
adamstewart adamstewart is offline
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Default What say you?

Remember, this is only 4-handed. So UTG = CO position.


UTG is about a 33/10.5/1.15


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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, .......
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:49 PM
dave44 dave44 is offline
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I like it- looks like an Ace or a flush draw and you're behind most of those flush draws. I'd discount the aces a bit on this board as I think he'll often raise to protect his hand. But there are definitely enough combinations of flush draws that you are behind that will almost definitely fold the river to make this bet worth it.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:57 PM
Alobar Alobar is offline
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is folding this PF too tight for 4 handed? Cuz I prolly fold.

I hate being OOP on this river. I dont think betting for half the pot is going to work here often enough, but I hate having to call a bet for half the pot too. There is some math here I have no idea how to do, but my gut says a bet is the best way to go here.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:58 PM
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I check fold the turn.

Krishan
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:02 AM
Alobar Alobar is offline
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I check fold the turn.

Krishan

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oooo, yes, I think I like this better
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:13 AM
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I would cold-call the raise but not 3-bet. The flop seems a check/fold to me since you have nothing. Perhaps I'm suggesting a little more straight forward play vs. being tricky.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:21 AM
Alobar Alobar is offline
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I would cold-call the raise but not 3-bet. The flop seems a check/fold to me since you have nothing. Perhaps I'm suggesting a little more straight forward play vs. being tricky.

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Not betting this flop would be a pretty big mistake IMO, its got 7sb in it and you have initiative, he will fold a ton of hands on a flop like this, easily enough times for your bet to show a healthy profit.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:29 AM
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I check fold the turn.

Krishan

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do you like the 3-bet?
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:40 AM
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I would cold-call the raise but not 3-bet. The flop seems a check/fold to me since you have nothing. Perhaps I'm suggesting a little more straight forward play vs. being tricky.

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Not betting this flop would be a pretty big mistake IMO, its got 7sb in it and you have initiative, he will fold a ton of hands on a flop like this, easily enough times for your bet to show a healthy profit.

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O.K. You have initiative and there are 7sb in the pot. Since the pot isn't yours, what have you got? Nothing.

Some hands will have to be folded, even in a 4-H game. This hand was marginal pre-flop, but went way down in value post flop. Cut your losses.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:49 AM
TheMetetron TheMetetron is offline
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I check fold the turn.

Krishan

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do you like the 3-bet?

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Krishan is right.

And yes I like the 3-bet. But only if you can check/fold the turn. If hero can't, he needs to fold this.
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