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Old 09-18-2005, 05:42 PM
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Default Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

PokerStars Game #2606768872: Tournament #12730459, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/09/18 - 17:37:02 (ET)
Table '12730459 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Z0420 (1430 in chips)
Seat 2: RyRy27 (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: FGators26 (1710 in chips)
Seat 4: Nonni888 (1210 in chips)
Seat 5: DoghseRiley (1350 in chips)
Seat 6: ASAjr (1130 in chips)
Seat 7: wingZ (2170 in chips)
Seat 8: Will347 (3040 in chips)
Nonni888: posts small blind 15
DoghseRiley: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FGators26 [Kc Kd]
ASAjr: folds
wingZ: calls 30
Will347: folds
Z0420: folds
RyRy27: folds
FGators26: raises 80 to 110
Nonni888: calls 95
DoghseRiley: folds
wingZ: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 9c 7s]
Nonni888: checks
FGators26: bets 190
Nonni888: calls 190
*** TURN *** [Jd 9c 7s] [9d]
Nonni888: checks
FGators26: bets 220
Nonni888: calls 220
*** RIVER *** [Jd 9c 7s 9d] [Jh]
Nonni888: bets 690 and is all-in
FGators26 Folds

He told me in the Hand History he had a J, but it wasn't AJ or KJ.

Could be Jack anything.
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:51 PM
unreal_nh unreal_nh is offline
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Default Re: Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

i dont think i could fold that
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

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i dont think i could fold that

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He was calling me acting like he had a Jack with a bad kicker, that's what I put him on.

I didn't want to push him all the way out because I felt I could grab half his stack if a jack didn't fall.

I believe him. You think I should have still called though?
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:55 PM
TomHimself TomHimself is offline
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Default Re: Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

bet more on turn
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:58 PM
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bet more on turn

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And you think that would have gotten this guy out? What should I bet? All in?
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:22 PM
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bet more on turn

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And you think that would have gotten this guy out? What should I bet? All in?

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Yep.
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:23 PM
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bet more on turn

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And you think that would have gotten this guy out? What should I bet? All in?

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Remember that you don't know that the J is falling on the turn. Your goal is to let him make a mistake and make his correct play be to give you this pot. It's not to push him out because if he calls an overbet here, you make money in the long run.
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

That kind of chat might mean he had J9

I dont think you played it particuarly badly.

Lori
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:34 PM
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Default Re: Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

What do you mean, "what did I do wrong"? You extracted value when you likely had the best hand and then folded when you likely had the worst hand. I don't understand what there is to question here.

Next time, don't let the board pair twice...?
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: Stars $5.50, KK, what did I do wrong?

Bet more on the turn. "Dropping" your bet on the turn suggests to him that you ARE bluffing, or at the very least giving him odds to catch whatever else he might need to.

By dropping I mean not keeping your bet in line percentage wise with what you have been betting. If you are 3/4 or potting it on the flop, you must do the same on the turn unless your hand is THAT strong. With him check/calling the flop, he has paired or better and you want him out if he's going to check/call, or you want him to risk everything.
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