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09-18-2005, 09:24 AM
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How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
These were the three hands that took most of my chips in the Deep Stacks tournament on 'Stars yesterday. I really feel that I deserved to AT LEAST make the final table with the way I was playing. I basically went from being the chip leader to being eliminated in less than 10 minutes. I know that stuff like this happens, but it seems a bit fishy.
PokerStars Game #2602768074: Tournament #12384420, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/18 - 02:11:52 (ET) Table '12384420 86' Seat #2 is the button Seat 2: alex2208 (253936 in chips) Seat 3: mrh86 (249025 in chips) Seat 4: The $hark (233338 in chips) Seat 5: Oldfoozer (36504 in chips) Seat 6: JTizzie (62609 in chips) Seat 7: King C69 (29172 in chips) Seat 8: GoPats21 (20152 in chips) Seat 9: jbirch1 (187426 in chips) alex2208: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts the ante 200 The $hark: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts the ante 200 JTizzie: posts the ante 200 King C69: posts the ante 200 GoPats21: posts the ante 200 jbirch1: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts small blind 2000 The $hark: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mrh86 [9d 9h] Oldfoozer: folds JTizzie: folds King C69: folds GoPats21: folds jbirch1: folds alex2208: raises 8000 to 12000 mrh86: raises 24000 to 36000 The $hark: folds alex2208: calls 24000 *** FLOP *** [5c 4d 4h] mrh86: checks alex2208: checks *** TURN *** [5c 4d 4h] [4s] mrh86: bets 40000 alex2208: calls 40000 *** RIVER *** [5c 4d 4h 4s] [Jd] mrh86: bets 80000 alex2208: calls 80000 *** SHOW DOWN *** mrh86: shows [9d 9h] (a full house, Fours full of Nines) alex2208: shows [As Jh] (a full house, Fours full of Jacks) PokerStars Game #2602774702: Tournament #12384420, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/18 - 02:13:03 (ET) Table '12384420 86' Seat #4 is the button Seat 2: alex2208 (415136 in chips) Seat 3: mrh86 (92625 in chips) Seat 4: The $hark (226938 in chips) Seat 5: Oldfoozer (39704 in chips) Seat 6: JTizzie (62209 in chips) Seat 7: King C69 (28772 in chips) Seat 8: GoPats21 (19752 in chips) Seat 9: jbirch1 (187026 in chips) alex2208: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts the ante 200 The $hark: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts the ante 200 JTizzie: posts the ante 200 King C69: posts the ante 200 GoPats21: posts the ante 200 jbirch1: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts small blind 2000 JTizzie: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mrh86 [As Ad] King C69: folds GoPats21: calls 4000 jbirch1: folds alex2208: folds mrh86: raises 8000 to 12000 The $hark: folds Oldfoozer: folds JTizzie: folds GoPats21: raises 7552 to 19552 and is all-in mrh86: calls 7552 *** FLOP *** [Kh 4c 9c] *** TURN *** [Kh 4c 9c] [3d] *** RIVER *** [Kh 4c 9c 3d] [Jd] *** SHOW DOWN *** GoPats21: shows [Jc Js] (three of a kind, Jacks) mrh86: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces) GoPats21 collected 46704 from pot PokerStars Game #2602789307: Tournament #12384420, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/18 - 02:15:36 (ET) Table '12384420 86' Seat #9 is the button Seat 2: alex2208 (417736 in chips) Seat 3: mrh86 (72073 in chips) Seat 4: The $hark (249538 in chips) Seat 5: Oldfoozer (36704 in chips) Seat 6: JTizzie (62809 in chips) Seat 7: King C69 (21772 in chips) Seat 8: GoPats21 (47504 in chips) Seat 9: jbirch1 (164026 in chips) alex2208: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts the ante 200 The $hark: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts the ante 200 JTizzie: posts the ante 200 King C69: posts the ante 200 GoPats21: posts the ante 200 jbirch1: posts the ante 200 alex2208: posts small blind 2000 mrh86: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mrh86 [8h 8c] King C69 said, "well yeah" The $hark: folds Oldfoozer: raises 4000 to 8000 JTizzie: folds King C69: raises 13572 to 21572 and is all-in GoPats21: folds jbirch1: folds alex2208: calls 19572 mrh86: raises 50301 to 71873 and is all-in Oldfoozer: folds alex2208: folds *** FLOP *** [3h 2d 7s] King C69 said, "sorry" *** TURN *** [3h 2d 7s] [Jc] *** RIVER *** [3h 2d 7s Jc] [2c] mrh86 said, "yeah" *** SHOW DOWN *** mrh86: shows [8h 8c] (two pair, Eights and Deuces) King C69: shows [7c 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces) 
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#4
09-18-2005, 10:53 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
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These were the three hands that took most of my chips in the Deep Stacks tournament on 'Stars yesterday. I really feel that I deserved to AT LEAST make the final table with the way I was playing. I basically went from being the chip leader to being eliminated in less than 10 minutes. I know that stuff like this happens, but it seems a bit fishy. PokerStars Game #2602768074: Tournament #12384420, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/18 - 02:11:52 (ET) Table '12384420 86' Seat #2 is the button Seat 2: alex2208 (253936 in chips) Seat 3: mrh86 (249025 in chips) Seat 4: The $hark (233338 in chips) Seat 5: Oldfoozer (36504 in chips) Seat 6: JTizzie (62609 in chips) Seat 7: King C69 (29172 in chips) Seat 8: GoPats21 (20152 in chips) Seat 9: jbirch1 (187426 in chips) alex2208: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts the ante 200 The $hark: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts the ante 200 JTizzie: posts the ante 200 King C69: posts the ante 200 GoPats21: posts the ante 200 jbirch1: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts small blind 2000 The $hark: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mrh86 [9d 9h] Oldfoozer: folds JTizzie: folds King C69: folds GoPats21: folds jbirch1: folds alex2208: raises 8000 to 12000 mrh86: raises 24000 to 36000 The $hark: folds alex2208: calls 24000 *** FLOP *** [5c 4d 4h] mrh86: checks alex2208: checks *** TURN *** [5c 4d 4h] [4s] mrh86: bets 40000 alex2208: calls 40000 *** RIVER *** [5c 4d 4h 4s] [Jd] mrh86: bets 80000 alex2208: calls 80000 *** SHOW DOWN *** mrh86: shows [9d 9h] (a full house, Fours full of Nines) alex2208: shows [As Jh] (a full house, Fours full of Jacks) PokerStars Game #2602774702: Tournament #12384420, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/18 - 02:13:03 (ET) Table '12384420 86' Seat #4 is the button Seat 2: alex2208 (415136 in chips) Seat 3: mrh86 (92625 in chips) Seat 4: The $hark (226938 in chips) Seat 5: Oldfoozer (39704 in chips) Seat 6: JTizzie (62209 in chips) Seat 7: King C69 (28772 in chips) Seat 8: GoPats21 (19752 in chips) Seat 9: jbirch1 (187026 in chips) alex2208: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts the ante 200 The $hark: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts the ante 200 JTizzie: posts the ante 200 King C69: posts the ante 200 GoPats21: posts the ante 200 jbirch1: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts small blind 2000 JTizzie: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mrh86 [As Ad] King C69: folds GoPats21: calls 4000 jbirch1: folds alex2208: folds mrh86: raises 8000 to 12000 The $hark: folds Oldfoozer: folds JTizzie: folds GoPats21: raises 7552 to 19552 and is all-in mrh86: calls 7552 *** FLOP *** [Kh 4c 9c] *** TURN *** [Kh 4c 9c] [3d] *** RIVER *** [Kh 4c 9c 3d] [Jd] *** SHOW DOWN *** GoPats21: shows [Jc Js] (three of a kind, Jacks) mrh86: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces) GoPats21 collected 46704 from pot PokerStars Game #2602789307: Tournament #12384420, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/18 - 02:15:36 (ET) Table '12384420 86' Seat #9 is the button Seat 2: alex2208 (417736 in chips) Seat 3: mrh86 (72073 in chips) Seat 4: The $hark (249538 in chips) Seat 5: Oldfoozer (36704 in chips) Seat 6: JTizzie (62809 in chips) Seat 7: King C69 (21772 in chips) Seat 8: GoPats21 (47504 in chips) Seat 9: jbirch1 (164026 in chips) alex2208: posts the ante 200 mrh86: posts the ante 200 The $hark: posts the ante 200 Oldfoozer: posts the ante 200 JTizzie: posts the ante 200 King C69: posts the ante 200 GoPats21: posts the ante 200 jbirch1: posts the ante 200 alex2208: posts small blind 2000 mrh86: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mrh86 [8h 8c] King C69 said, "well yeah" The $hark: folds Oldfoozer: raises 4000 to 8000 JTizzie: folds King C69: raises 13572 to 21572 and is all-in GoPats21: folds jbirch1: folds alex2208: calls 19572 mrh86: raises 50301 to 71873 and is all-in Oldfoozer: folds alex2208: folds *** FLOP *** [3h 2d 7s] King C69 said, "sorry" *** TURN *** [3h 2d 7s] [Jc] *** RIVER *** [3h 2d 7s Jc] [2c] mrh86 said, "yeah" *** SHOW DOWN *** mrh86: shows [8h 8c] (two pair, Eights and Deuces) King C69: shows [7c 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces) [/ QUOTE ] In the first hand, I don't like the flop check, I'm betting out here to gauge where I stand. then the 3rd 4 came and you only half potted it. I'd be betting 2/3, or the pot. You got really lucky that the 3rd 4 came, and now very little beats you, but I'm scared that an overcard can EASILY come on the river and I'm beat. I think that hand, though not terribly played, was partially your fault. The other two, those guys hit 20%ers on you, it happens. Yesterday I made top two on an AT8 board and called a push from A9... And he made a running straight to put me out, it happens.
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#5
09-18-2005, 11:00 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
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In the first hand, I don't like the flop check, I'm betting out here to gauge where I stand. then the 3rd 4 came and you only half potted it. I'd be betting 2/3, or the pot. You got really lucky that the 3rd 4 came, and now very little beats you, but I'm scared that an overcard can EASILY come on the river and I'm beat. I think that hand, though not terribly played, was partially your fault. [/ QUOTE ] Have to agree here. As for the other 2 hands, the 2nd one you lost your 20% of the time, wasn't a lock or a fish, he took a shot with his short stack with what looked to him to be the best hand. On the 3rd hand, seems like a bit of tilt going on playing a mid pair like that....considering the action in front of you, albeit from what are most likely wide ranges considering the stacks, I still think I take a breather here and collect my thoughts and regroup.
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#6
09-18-2005, 11:12 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
If this is the worst string of beats youve had count yourself as lucky. Once you "move on" and lose to five 2 outers in a row that were clearly priced out of the hand on the flop you'll look back at this and say "Wow, what a whiner I was".
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#7
09-18-2005, 11:16 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
I was pretty sure my eights were good on that third hand. I had been pushing the table around with ragged aces and air, and as such, I don't think it would take much for the short stacks to push. I was expecting to see a hand like K-Q or A-10, but the situation was better than I expected. I was a bit too pissed to get much sleep last night though, so give me a break. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#8
09-18-2005, 11:19 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
Those are some brutal beats but I don't like how you played the first hand at all. The flop check was weak and you probably should have bet the turn harder. Other than that what can you do?
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#9
09-18-2005, 11:24 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
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Those are some brutal beats but I don't like how you played the first hand at all. The flop check was weak and you probably should have bet the turn harder. Other than that what can you do? [/ QUOTE ] I was planning on check-raising the flop, but in retrospect, I do see this as a horrible mistake. He wasn't an unreasonable player, and I doubt many would fall for that type of trap when raised 3x their bet preflop. His turn call was a bit questionable though. There's no way I could believe that my ace high is good if I were in his position. I guess I should've bet out larger on the turn instead of trying to extract additional chips on the river. Sometimes that strategy backfires on you, but the hand was still a bad beat, damnit!
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#10
09-18-2005, 11:50 AM
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Re: How do you take horrible beats like this and simply move on?
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[ QUOTE ] Those are some brutal beats but I don't like how you played the first hand at all. The flop check was weak and you probably should have bet the turn harder. Other than that what can you do? [/ QUOTE ] I was planning on check-raising the flop, but in retrospect, I do see this as a horrible mistake. He wasn't an unreasonable player, and I doubt many would fall for that type of trap when raised 3x their bet preflop. His turn call was a bit questionable though. There's no way I could believe that my ace high is good if I were in his position. I guess I should've bet out larger on the turn instead of trying to extract additional chips on the river. Sometimes that strategy backfires on you, but the hand was still a bad beat, damnit! [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I think everyone knew you were trying to check/raise on the flop, that was the first thought that went through my mind also. HOWEVER, in this situation, because you're probably ahead, but your hand is *very* vulnerable, you have to bet out to protect yourself against a check behind, and also represent your hand. Check/raising flops I've come to realize in the last month is something that's waaay over done in online poker, I think the check/raise is way over used in general too. But I wouldn't be check raising here with any less than AK on an A/Kxx board, where I know my hand is made and has relativly little chance of being killed. For you, a little less than half the deck can destroy your hand. A high becomes a fairly powerfull hand w/ 3 of a kind on the board. I'm not saying his play was good, but b/c of your flop check, and your relativly weak bet on teh turn, he probably figured he had a good chance of his A high being good, or maybe his Jack was better than your kicker. He also has position. It's not a terrific call, but if he had a read, and he has position, I can see his logic.
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