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What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
What's the expected win rate for top player at SNG 2-3 tables? More importantly, how about at larger multi-table tourneys? I see it expressed at 1.5-2 BB's for limit ring games, but what about as a % of initial entry fee for these formats?
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
MTT'ers use ROI% (Return On Investment) and ITM% (In the Money) for the important stats.
a good ITM% is aroundn 10-15%.. and ROI can be anywhere from 50% to 400% (or higher, but i'd say it won't stay over 400% over long term) This is for real MTT's, not the 2-3 table SnG's.. |
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
for the 2-3 tables id say a good ITM is about 45%, ROI around 10%
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
Thanks for the response. Those MTT win rates north of 100% seem very strong. I just read something on variance and sample size in the SNG FAQ indicating you needed 500 tourneys for results to mean much. Are there many players running better than 100% ROI for over 500 MTT's?? I am just trying to compare to limit guidelines, which seem pretty well accepted at the 1.5-2BB level.
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
This seems to low to be worth playing them other than for practicing late tourney play. Is 10% really the standard ROI to shoot for? The FAQ on the single-tables indicated that 20-30% ROI was attainable? Seems the 2-3 tables would allow for a higher potential ROI.
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
i dont think lethal knows what he is talking about
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
ROI over 100% isn't all that hard for a winning MTT'er.. but thers a ton of variance. I've been keeping stats the past month..but i keep them seperate for the levels of buyin.
for Mini (1,2,3,5 buyins) i have a 600% ROI, 13%ITM over 100 tournaments for Mid's (10,20,30,50 buyins) i have a 171% ROI, 14%ITM, over 200 tournaments and for Big's (100+) i have a 0% ROI, 0%ITM, over 30 tournaments [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] (duunno why i can't make a dent in any big ones. really frustrating) |
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
Too bad those stats could not be reversed right? Guess it is not that easy. I am just surprised there is not more of a universally expected standard ROI, but I guess when you combine the variance, how much time it takes to reach the long-run, the variety of formats, field sizes, etc., it would be much harder to come up with. it is also still a relatively new phenomenon compared to decades of conventional wisdom on grinding at limit cash games.
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
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i dont think lethal knows what he is talking about [/ QUOTE ]Agreed. Johnny [censored] Chan couldn't ITM 45% of the time in the 2-3 table tournies. |
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Re: What\'s the expected win rate for top player at multi-tables?
lol Im sure johhny chan caN, i think a 40%ITm is possible but I think a higher ROI should be there too and not just 10%
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