Play Along: Tell me what to do with my aces

Moozh · #1 09-14-2005, 02:23 AM

I think I might have butchered this hand.

Basic reads:

SB and BB are basic TAGs
UTG is loose (42/6/1)
CO is slightly loose/passive (27/11/.4)
Button just sucks in general but has been playing an aggressive game and is up a good amount at this table.

We'll skip ahead past the tedious parts...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, CO calls, Hero...

imported_CaseClosed326 · #2 09-14-2005, 02:29 AM

3 bet

dhaimon · #3 09-14-2005, 02:37 AM

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Button just sucks in general

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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don't be so hard on yourself [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

3-bet here.

bank · #4 09-14-2005, 02:37 AM

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3 bet

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wackjob · #5 09-14-2005, 02:38 AM

If everyone but villain folded I would try to get a raise in on the turn. Since you have all kinds of fish along for the ride and a drawy board, pump it on the flop.

Moozh · #6 09-14-2005, 03:07 AM

Hmm, I have a feeling I should change the title to count the number of ways Moozh screwed up this hand. This aparently makes it one.

I just called. Part of the reason was because the pot was big and I didn't think I could get any opponents to fold. The main reason was that I figured that even if I did raise, the board was coordinated enough that a flop raise really wouldn't increase my pot equity nearly as much as a turn raise on a safe card.

I'm curious to hear how bad you think this is if you disagree here.

So I called planning to raise UTG on the turn...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero is very confused at how CO has played his hand so far...

wackjob · #7 09-14-2005, 03:14 AM

You raise the flop not because you will protect your hand, but because you have the best hand and know you can get in a lot of bets. When that turn card hit, you should be raising, if he 3-bets you can figure he has made his straight and call since you will have outs to fill up.

jason_t · #8 09-14-2005, 03:21 AM

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I just called. Part of the reason was because the pot was big and I didn't think I could get any opponents to fold. The main reason was that I figured that even if I did raise, the board was coordinated enough that a flop raise really wouldn't increase my pot equity nearly as much as a turn raise on a safe card.

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Raise the flop for value, not for protection. With a pair of aces your equity won't change that much from the flop to turn; it's when you have a vulnerable hand like a pair of tens that waiting for the turn to protect and exploit a larger edge is better.

MrBig30 · #9 09-14-2005, 03:33 AM

I agree you should have 3-bet flop for value.
Now you have to raise turn to make it unprofitable for any gutshots to call and to charge a flushdraw the maximum. If CO has QJ you still have 10 outs.

billyjex · #10 09-14-2005, 03:34 AM

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero is very confused at how CO has played his hand so far...

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while you should have 3-bet the flop, if anything other than raising enters your mind here you are officially a big fat vagina.