Bet the river and save kitty?

Bodhi · #1 09-14-2005, 12:43 AM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

MP2 is a rock, but otherwise unknown. The button is a tag, very aggressive and likes to play psychological. She'll iso-raise a weak limper with hands like 33, and also isn't afraid to 3-bet with top-pair-so-so-kicker when she thinks she's ahead. I've been raising in late-position and stealing a lot, so my image could be a bit lag-ish.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: (9.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets

Bodhi · #2 09-14-2005, 01:14 AM

MP2 (the rock) raises, Button folds, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Come on, 13 looks and no one has a comment?

The Legend · #3 09-14-2005, 02:19 AM

She probably made two pair, but given her aggressiveness, I'd call. Maybe a better man wouldn't, but 12.25 to 1 is yummy odds. Oh wait, it was the rock. Awww crap. This is a tough one. I'd call, due to random idiot factor since he is otherwise unknown.

Nick C · #4 09-14-2005, 03:54 AM

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MP2 is a rock, but otherwise unknown.

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Sometimes I feel this way about the rock(s) at my tables too. The biggest thing I know about them is that they're very tight. But I rarely get to see them play a hand, and usually my attention is more focused on the LAG(s) and TAG(s).

Anyway, though, I think MP2's flop cold-call and turn call are a concern. And, for what it's worth, I was thinking that before I saw in your next post that he raised the river. I don't know. Some rocks like to be trappy. I guess maybe some rocks worry their opponents will find as many postflop folds as the rock finds preflop.

I kind of want to check the river, but there is some chance the rock is just keeping you honest, since he may think you're a LAG. And, if you're beat, I'd imagine one of your opponents will probably bet anyway.

Nick C · #5 09-14-2005, 03:56 AM

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MP2 (the rock) raises, Button folds, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Ugh. I might call, hoping for a chop (or, if I was being really optimistic, hoping for a bluffraise from KJ or something). But I suspect folding is better.

#6 09-14-2005, 06:03 AM

Hmm, is this a clear river bet? I would c/c and expect to lose to a better A if MP2 bets. If you trust your read that he's a rock (weak?) with low-ish river aggression you can fold river.

Not alot of hands you beat/chop on the river since kicker plays on this board unless you think he has A7, A5-A2.

ErrantNight · #7 09-14-2005, 08:03 AM

i really don't like your flop c/r, here... i'd take a WA/WB line....

but you should definitely bet this river.

Bodhi · #8 09-14-2005, 03:29 PM

Even without looking at MP2's river action, I tend to agree that this is not a good place to value bet because I'm betting into a rock and a tag. They will only call or over-call with stronger than average hands, so a check-call would have been more prudent after my flush draw didn't come in.

Bodhi · #9 09-14-2005, 03:30 PM

Can I take a WA/WB line in a 3-way pot?

#10 09-14-2005, 03:43 PM

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Can I take a WA/WB line in a 3-way pot?

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So long as neither opponents are likely to hold significant outs, yes. AK on A99 rainbow is an easy example of WAWB no matter how many players are involved. They either have the 9, or are crushed.