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09-13-2005, 12:01 PM
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Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
20$ SnG on party - you are multitabling
======================================= Scenario 1 Blinds 200-400 SB - 1000 BB - 1800 Button - 2200 UTG (You) - 3000 What are you doing with these cards? AA AK K9 JTs 85o 22 ========================================= Scenario 2 Blinds 150-300 SB - 2900 BB - 1800 Button - 2200 UTG (You) - 2100 KQo KTo K7s A9o A8s 66 74o Thanx for the opinions guys. I have been playing hyper agressive lately and my stats have been showing it. My firsts and fourths are ways up. (Like 15% on each) While my 2nd and 3rds are a little above 11-12%. 
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#2
09-13-2005, 12:12 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
Push them all. I have learnt alot from posts over the last couple of days about the -EV of calling on the bubble, even with good hands. But I'm sure pushing all of these (with the possible exception of 74o and 85o) makes the difference between 1st and a sneaky 3rd or lame 4th.
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#4
09-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
Scenario 1:
With no reads, I push everything except the 85o. The typical 22 player just isn't tight enough for this push to have the fold equity it needs. If I think the blinds are trying to out fold each other into 3rd, I push it. Scenario 2: Push the KQo, A9o, A8s, and 66. Fold the rest. You are UTG and everyone behind you has chips. If you are called by any of them you risk going out in 4th. And since 22 players like to make crazy calls on the bubble, you can't risk pushing garbage here. You need a hand.
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#5
09-13-2005, 01:18 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
I push all from the first scenario. The blinds are so huge that you just gotta steal...and the fact that you can't go broke on a single hand is very nice.
What are the stacks in the second one? You've got an extra 1k chips.
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#6
09-13-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
Okay, I'll be the guy saying that I don't push all the hands in 1st example. The calling standards are too loose on the 22s to make pushing all these correct, IMO.
Especially if you've already started doing this, don't be surprised to see some calls with all kinds of hands that you'd never expect. I just had a game where I (correctly) open pushed from the SB with 67s. I had a pretty large chiplead over BB, and there was a shortstack on the bubble with just over 1 BB. The BB INSTANTLY called me with A9o. Won the hand. Two other guys at the table applauded him for his "great call". Even if he saw my cards face up, his call was horrible. And that was from the SB. Pushing all these from UTG in a 22 is just silly, IMO.
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#7
09-13-2005, 01:41 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
[ QUOTE ]
Okay, I'll be the guy saying that I don't push all the hands in 1st example. The calling standards are too loose on the 22s to make pushing all these correct, IMO. Especially if you've already started doing this, don't be surprised to see some calls with all kinds of hands that you'd never expect. I just had a game where I (correctly) open pushed from the SB with 67s. I had a pretty large chiplead over BB, and there was a shortstack on the bubble with just over 1 BB. The BB INSTANTLY called me with A9o. Won the hand. Two other guys at the table applauded him for his "great call". Even if he saw my cards face up, his call was horrible. And that was from the SB. Pushing all these from UTG in a 22 is just silly, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] I understand why your push is correct and BB's call was bad (I have experienced this same situation... including applause from peanut gallery), but if the calling range is wide for $11-$22, shouldn't our pushing range be tighter?
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#8
09-13-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
[ QUOTE ]
I understand why your push is correct and BB's call was bad (I have experienced this same situation... including applause from peanut gallery), but if the calling range is wide for $11-$22, shouldn't our pushing range be tighter? [/ QUOTE ] It should be tighter. But in the case that I was talking about, his range should have been super tight. I would have been correct pushing any two in that spot. The blinds were large, he was comfortably in 2nd (I had him easily covered), and there was an uber short stack. I just brought that up to illustrate that pushing the 58o hand, for example, is just silly. For one, our opponents can actually pick up a hand. Secondly, and more importantly, our opponents are stupid. Often we benefit from this stupidity. Pushing 58o UTG and getting called by button with AJ would be a case where we would most likely pay dearly for their stupidity.
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#9
09-13-2005, 02:02 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
Thanx for the post, I've been running into that stupidity a lot myself. Sometimes I suck out, sometimes it bites me in the ass.
Had a guy call my J9s with JTo recently. Everyone complimented him on the great read, and everyone taunted me saying that is what i get for playing so bad. Good times. The best compliment I got was after losing to a guy heads up: "You don't even look at your cards do you, you just play the guy right?" This was at the 250-500 blind level.
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#10
09-13-2005, 03:01 PM
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Re: Bubble aggression maybe taken too far.
in hand one, personally i'm only pushing the AA and AK. maybe the JTs. hand two i'm pushing everything except the crap hand, think it was 74o.
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